I guess they are all prepared for that. I'm sure Kesho and his two young brothers will get along fine for some years to come including as they mature. But the problems may start to arise much later when they are fully mature e.g around 15-20 years as has happened at Port Lympne. Of course there could be changes by then if either of the younger two leave for breeding groups. For obvious reasons, Kesho and Boulas are likely to stay there for good. I shall be interested to see if they do get all four together including Boulas though. If not, it means he would have to be segregated 'offshow' indoors or in an offshow outdoor cage if there is one, during the daytime, right from the start. I think they may be successful with him though.
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I guess they are all prepared for that. I'm sure Kesho and his two young brothers will get along fine for some years to come including as they mature. But the problems may start to arise much later when they are fully mature e.g around 15-20 years as has happened at Port Lympne. Of course there could be changes by then if either of the younger two leave for breeding groups. For obvious reasons, Kesho and Boulas are likely to stay there for good. I shall be interested to see if they do get all four together including Boulas though. If not, it means he would have to be segregated 'offshow' indoors or in an offshow outdoor cage if there is one, during the daytime, right from the start. I think they may be successful with him though.
Jordan-Jaguar97
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It'll be interesting to see their behaviour. I believe the rule is if they fight for a certain amount of time then the Gorilla causing the trouble is removed, and removed for good.
Confirmed to be starting this Sunday at 8pm, ITV1 again.
Mountain Chicken frogs have bred for the first time at ZSL
Endangered mountain chicken frogs bred in London - Telegraph
Endangered mountain chicken frogs bred in London - Telegraph
I've been wondering about London Zoo and whether it's been breaking attendance records because of the Olympics. Surely London must be almost as busy as it's ever been and surely London Zoo, along with London's many other attractions, are benefiting from that. I tried googling some articles but I couldn't find much about the zoo specifically.
sooty mangabey
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This morning's Guardian reports that attendance at the British Museum is down 25%, and the Tate and the Natural History Museum report similar falls. I think the fear of traffic difficulty is part of the story; also, a trip to the zoo might not have such an allure when there is brilliant Olympic sport to watch. Possibly those trips might be deferred to the middle of the month...
That's what a lot of the articles I read mentioned. A lot of restaurants were said to be suffering similar slumps. I really thought things like art galleries, museums, and what not would be different. But Sooty Mangabey answered that.
On another note, I would love to be in London right now. Australia must be in the worst timezone anywhere for these Olympics. It's televised live from 6pm to 6am so I've been staying up all night, then going to uni, and sleeping in the afternoon. It only comes every 4 years so I can justify it.
Apparently this 'Olympic Factor' backlash has happened at previous Olympics in other countries too- non Olympic tourists avoid visiting that country in that year because of the supposed(or real) conjestion.
Its a similar story elsewhere in the UK apparently with other tourist hotspots e.g. the Lake District suffering too. And Weymouth, where the sailing events are being held, is suffering as normal holiday-makers are avoiding it because of the same fear of conjestion. The big 'Olympic' traffic signs to the Park and Rides for Weymouth around Dorchester, (which I passed yesterday and were not at all full) have now been changed from 'Delays possible' to 'No Delays' to try and draw people in.
I guess London Zoo is experiencing a similar drop in visitors.
mazfc
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I've been down in Dorset this week, and avoided Weymouth as I thought it would be busy, but asking around it seems they are suffering too. The park and rides I passed near poundbury seemed pretty quiet from the road. I also heard that lots of hotels and b&bs were offering discounts as they hadn't sold the number of rooms they were expecting.
Both very true. Weymouth is apparenly 'very quiet' apart from the Olympics. Yesterday afternoon at 4.p.m. the P & R carpark opposite Poundbury had cars only at one end- a huge area of it was empty.
Maybe London zoo will get a lot of 'Olympic' tourists/visitors after the Games end.
The fact that hotel and airfare prices are double or triple what they normally are does exactly encourage tourism.
Exactly, the get-rich-quick-approach by some as per Olympics Dreams does not serve the general public one pound!
wenxue
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I went today (after an absence of a few months due to surgery) to find Kesho gone. The person in a zoo t-shirt (I assume a volunteer) told me he had gone to Paignton and that a new male gorilla was expected in September. He is still listed in the gorilla section on ZSL's website though they have removed him from the signs in the enclosures.
Kesho is listed on Longleat's site (wrongly characterised as "The General" - it seemed to me all he ever wanted was a bit of peace and quiet) so I guess the volunteer got things round her hat about Paignton.
Kesho is listed on Longleat's site (wrongly characterised as "The General" - it seemed to me all he ever wanted was a bit of peace and quiet) so I guess the volunteer got things round her hat about Paignton.
Gigit
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She must have thought that, as Kumbuka is on his way from Paignton, they were doing a straight swap.
I also noticed he's not been removed from their website blurb.
As the fourth and oldest male Boulas isn't part of the Longleat group yet, I think they've 'bigged-up' Kesho as the top male currently on show. Whereas at London it seemed to me Kesho was mostly playful,(apart from the darker side with the baby) and a keeper I spoke to affirmed that. I think he'll get plenty of opportunity to play at Longleat as he's now reunited with his two younger brothers there.
wenxue
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Not only has he not been removed from the site but it looks like his image is still being used on adverts on other sites for Zoo Lates (which have finished for this year anyway). If he was some kind of bird or reptile where it is difficult to tell the difference between individuals then fair enough but the gorillas are pretty distinct personalities. Bad enough they seem to have smuggled him out the back door with not a word to the world but to keep on using his image in advertising is a bit much. If I had known he was going so soon I would have liked to have gone and said goodbye. I always had a soft spot for Kesho. He was the very opposite of the demon the media made him out to be. Just hope he has the very best life possible at Longleat.
I wonder if the girls are missing him? Jookie was rocking a bit and nursing a grazed thumb at the weekend. Must be strange when a member of your family just vanishes for no reason you can understand.
I wonder if the girls are missing him? Jookie was rocking a bit and nursing a grazed thumb at the weekend. Must be strange when a member of your family just vanishes for no reason you can understand.
I think for the advertising department a gorilla is just a gorilla- individuals/ personalities don't count. (Gorilla Kingdom was originally advertised using Blackpool's Gorillas in the photos.
) Kesho was certainly a very normal, well socialised male. His reaction to the baby was simply normal behaviour too. It was a real disaster for them to find a well-balanced male had such a unique(?) problem and ZSL have my full sympathy over that. I certainly think they are also right to have moved him on now though.I imagine the females may be mildly traumatised by his departure, though they have lost so many males recently they may be getting used to these disappearances. Still, Kumbuka will be on his way shortly. I'm sure the females will love him, but will he reciprocate?
wenxue
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Might be best if Kumbuka isn't told in advance about his new domestic arrangements - well son you'll be moving in with Grandma, one young lass with an obsession for broccolli and another young lass that walks around with a blanket on her head and carries carrots between her toes.
Does anyone know when Jookie started with the blanket thing? Has she always done that or only since the baby died?
Does anyone know when Jookie started with the blanket thing? Has she always done that or only since the baby died?