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Shirokuma?;)

Haha! No...

Although I have to disagree strongly with all the people who, for very well articulated reasons, are uncomfortable with this.

As I have said before, I'm really fed up of the marketing department being bashed on here. They do a great job. Events like this, and the zoo lates events which take place through the summer, place the zoo as part of the capital's cultural life.

It wasn't a wet t-shirt competition, I don't there was anything tacky about it. This is London, not some hicksville town in the Bible Belt. It's the 21st century and atitudes are changing, I think for the better.

Events like the 5K Color Run are enormously popular and there is so much going on in the capital. London Zoo must engage with the population organising interesting and original events. You need to have a sense of tongue in cheek humour to attract people sometimes, especially young people, many with expendable incomes who could be engaged for life if they are attracted at an age when they have few commitments. They will go on to have families and hopefully have a relationship with the zoo.

Of course the coverage would be sexist but that is the reality of the rather grubby media in this country.

It's also important to note that there is a 'regular' sponsored 10K through the zoo and park on 15th September which is sold out.

And to address IanRRobinson's point about other institutions, this is exactly the kind of event I can see Kew doing.
 
I held back from posting on this originally because I feared being painted into a corner as some sort of reactionary fuddy-duddy.

All I will say is this: is it really right that people who have known and loved London Zoo for fifty or sixty years now feel so out of place there? A marketing function anywhere that made some of its most fervent supporters feel -frankly- unwanted is not, sadly "doing a great job".
 
Looks quite good actually.

Hope the food is not so MotR as you get. I do not mind them serving grub, but a good day meal be nice once in a while ...

Nice to also see them invest in sustainability (drinking cups et cetera).
 
But why did they have to be naked?

Bronx holds a yearly run to raise money for endangered species (this past year was elephants) and they've always had absolutely huge turn-outs (so much so that they've almost run out of parking space on occasion!) without having to have people running naked...

I mean, if it works, it works, and good money was raised to help save a species which I think is great! I just don't know why the zoo had to hold a naked run instead of just a regular run

~Thylo:cool:

Because London is a 'hip' and cultural place and it definitely claimed more publicity for the zoo, and the majority of people would see it as good publicity.
 
JR, I'm afraid that I think you're wrong. This simply is NOT what serious bodies (to use a perhaps ill-advised phrase) do. You would not see sponsored streaks at Kew Gardens, the British Museum or the National Gallery, and I'd be rather surprised to see something like this at a major National Trust property.

I accept that £60,000 for tiger conservation is a great achievement. The jeopardisation of the Society's aura of being a serious organisation is worth a lot more. We all know how the media in this country works, and frankly for London Zoo to be known as a place where people can be photographed naked is putting it on the high road to being seen as an outdoor lapdancing club. One does note that two young and attractive women were the individuals used as the faces of the event in this morning's press coverage.

One final thought: the Zoo's future depends on getting families in and them acquiring the taste for repeat visits. I wonder just how many parents are going to be subconsciously put off a visit?
I think you are incorrect about National Trust Property, I recall a few years ago walking my spaniels along Studland beach in Dorset one morning and was very surprised to come across a nudist section on this beach, I turned back as I didn't want the spaniels frightened, as for this recent event at London Zoo, no, I don't think the venue is an appropriate place to stage such an event, however, if any members are participating in this years zoo challenge, they would have seen plenty of "bares" at London Zoo.
 
I think you are incorrect about National Trust Property, I recall a few years ago walking my spaniels along Studland beach in Dorset one morning and was very surprised to come across a nudist section on this beach, I turned back as I didn't want the spaniels frightened,

Studland Beach has always had a nudist area. I don't think it is deliberately encouraged by the NT (is it even on their land?) more they turn a blind eye to it.

I wouldn't worry too much about your dogs though...;)
 
I have almost come to think of ZSL and their scientific work as being completely separate to the marketing department at the zoo.

Historically there has always been a big gulf between the scientific aspects and work of ZSL and the animal collection- the latter being the poor relation in many respects. In the days when I had some involvement with them, this feeling that there was little connection between the two was very marked.

Nowadays I think the animal collection is still run mainly as a commercial enterprise and heavily marketed, which is why we get the rather excruciating publicity 'spots.' In the case of the sponsored streak, it did raise good money toward conservation. I see no harm in it.
 
The nude run for Sumatran tigers at London zoo got coverage even in major Czech media. Free advertisement in the primetime. The PR department of London zoo apparently makes its job correctly.
 
ZSL are between a rock and a hard place - we all agree getting (clothed) people through the gate is important as it directly aids ZSL work in the field, and that marketing is needed to boost that when there are so many alternative "days out" being heavily promoted. The cheapest form of marketing is getting media coverage for news - certainly cheaper than adverts on the underground.

The sad truth unless is it a cute baby animal just born, stories about the work ZSL do just don't get a large media coverage. Case in point is just last Wednesday they announced the arrival of the two new female mangabeys from Dublin (which arrived a few weeks ago now). The mangabeys at London Zoo are a huge success, one of the biggest breeding groups in Europe (was the biggest until I believe Dublin Zoo overtook them?), few zoos in Europe hold them, and a vulnerable species in the wild. Together with that BIAZA announced they are one of the top 10 animals which are most reliant on zoos for survival.

For that they received coverage on ITV News and that was about it. Compare that to the coverage of a bunch of naked people running around the zoo its no wonder the marketing department do what they do.

Of course the steak was tacky, yes they could of been clothed in tiger onesies and then made a point of there being more people dressed as tigers than there are Sumatran tigers in the wild (if they had at least 300+ people taking part) but then would it have made the news?
 
ZSL are between a rock and a hard place - we all agree getting (clothed) people through the gate is important as it directly aids ZSL work in the field, and that marketing is needed to boost that when there are so many alternative "days out" being heavily promoted. The cheapest form of marketing is getting media coverage for news - certainly cheaper than adverts on the underground.

The sad truth unless is it a cute baby animal just born, stories about the work ZSL do just don't get a large media coverage. Case in point is just last Wednesday they announced the arrival of the two new female mangabeys from Dublin (which arrived a few weeks ago now). The mangabeys at London Zoo are a huge success, one of the biggest breeding groups in Europe (was the biggest until I believe Dublin Zoo overtook them?), few zoos in Europe hold them, and a vulnerable species in the wild. Together with that BIAZA announced they are one of the top 10 animals which are most reliant on zoos for survival.

For that they received coverage on ITV News and that was about it. Compare that to the coverage of a bunch of naked people running around the zoo its no wonder the marketing department do what they do.

Of course the steak was tacky, yes they could of been clothed in tiger onesies and then made a point of there being more people dressed as tigers than there are Sumatran tigers in the wild (if they had at least 300+ people taking part) but then would it have made the news?

Perhaps following on to this .. the marketing department may well be able to gel the short circuit journoos into reporting on the more "difficult" and less fashioned subject matter of exactly highly endangered mangabey species brought in to London Zoo and e.g. ZSL / IoZ work with some of the more endangered species of our natural world.

Why cannot London get the BBC on board here (nationwide coverage)? It is literally on their doorstep!
 
Case in point is just last Wednesday they announced the arrival of the two new female mangabeys from Dublin (which arrived a few weeks ago now).

Strange that they announced it when they did- they were already featured some weeks ago on the I.T.V. series, when both females were introduced to the resident male.

IMO their Mangabey group/exhibit is by far the best/most interesting social primate exhibit in the Zoo- I'd like to see them with 20+ in this group and they could just lose most of the other primate exhibits! (joke;) )
 
Strange that they announced it when they did- they were already featured some weeks ago on the I.T.V. series, when both females were introduced to the resident male.

The announcement now is because the group is fully integrated rather than them just getting to know Lucky as per the ITV program in July - until now there was just regular afternoon monitored introductions with whole group - the problem wasn't Lucky getting to know the newbies, but the other females getting on with them. The younger male has moved on a couple of weeks ago as he was getting old enough that there was a risk of in-breeding so they are now a 1:6 group.
 
the problem wasn't Lucky getting to know the newbies, but the other females getting on with them. The younger male has moved on a couple of weeks ago as he was getting old enough that there was a risk of in-breeding so they are now a 1:6 group.

Thanks for the information. Do you know where the younger male has gone?
 
Just to return to marketing/promoting: in my experience most ordinary people view London Zoo as somewhere you take the kids till they grow out of it, or somewhere you go as a tourist, or just for a jolly day out; of course there are some genuine animal lovers and people with a scientific interest but they seem to me to be in a tiny minority. Probably a third of my friends and relations won't even visit the zoo because they imagine it as a ghastly cruel outmoded place where sickly animals are kept in cramped concrete cages when they should be set free! Anything at all, including streaking for tigers, that raises money and awareness of the conservation efforts of ZSL seems to me to be a Good Thing. The London Evening Standard covered it with many comments and facts about tiger conservation. And apparently a group of tigers is called a "streak"... that's where the idea came from.
 
Even though i'm known to be one of the current London zoo's biggest critics, i haven't got involved yet in the'streaker' debate because i'm not sure either way- both sides make valid points. Whether it is a PR masterstroke or brings ridicule upon the zoo , only time will tell!
I suspect the biggest boost to the zoos attendance this year will have been the tv series and the streak will have little impact either way.
 
I'm not sure if it's been mentioned but there is a comedy night fund raising event at the Hammersmith Appollo Theatre, a major venue, with some big names.

http://www.zsl.org/zsl-london-zoo/whats-on/roar-with-laughter,625,EV.html

There's actually a great deal going on in general including art classes, writers talks, photography workshops and this family festival weekend:

http://www.zsl.org/zsl-london-zoo/whats-on/little-creatures-family-festival,619,EV.html

From Friday 30 August - Sunday 1 September, ZSL London Zoo will open its doors for a weekend of big fun for your little ones.

There’ll be colourful characters to meet, roving entertainers, interactive stage shows, storytelling, shadow puppetry and the magical fairy queen’s rainbow trail through the enchanted woodland walk.

There are a range of activities just for kids including the splash zone, the adventure playground, bouncy castles, giant slides, whacky races and the Animal Adventure children’s zoo.
 
I'm very pleased to see ZSL comment on this. The government don't seem especially concerned about scientific evidence but I hope it will have an impact.
 
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