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I will defend LoL, up to a point.

I've never been to India, but I have now spent a substantial amount of time in other parts of Asia. In terms of theming I think LoL is far and away the most successful Asian area I have visited in a zoo. It is successful because rather than failing to recreate rainforest or trotting out another tired temple it actually simulates the human environment with all the clutter and business that entails. Whether or not it actually resembles Gir I have no idea but I can believe that it does. The attention to detail seems exceptional and I think it is genuinely immersive. On a side note when I visited I didn't get a chance to look at some of the interpretive material because there were always families using it.

Is it problematic that some of the species aren't from India? Absolutely. Can we hope that over time more appropriate alternatives will be substituted in? Probably.

The enclosures themselves are some of the best in the zoo. The langurs' feels a little empty, if they can either add more individuals or just get some breeding going it will become much more lively I think. There is obviously a problem with the lions' in terms of the individuals not choosing to use the space but it's not at all obvious this is due to design issues. Unfortunately London probably can't or shouldn't acquire more showy animals. Even so it is still possible to get fine views of the females across the moat.

There are some obvious improvements to make; it's not easy to navigate, so more signs showing the way to the actual exhibits would be good. And the holes to view down into the lion enclosures are too small. If the lions persist with not utilising half their space then why not add a partition and hold something else in the sandy part? Having three enclosures to rotate through would be no bad thing.

Six million does seem like a lot of money but if you look at what has been achieved here and compare it to some of the other new developments in zoos around the world I think it becomes a lot more reasonable. I really wish they hadn't included lodge accommodation, that is an egregious use of limited space I think.

My biggest criticism is just that personally I find lions a little underwhelming. When London does its next big exhibit complex I hope it has the courage to feature an animal or animals that people are excited to see because they are alien, not because they are familiar. The wild popularity of the False Gharial at Chester suggests this approach can work. If LoL had featured 15-20 smaller exhibits father than 5 large to medium it would have added a lot more to the zoo. But obviously people want to see lions.

If London can maintain this standard of exhibit moving forward I think in 15 years the zoo will look absolutely fantastic. In any case LoL far exceeded my expectations.
 
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rather than failing to recreate rainforest or trotting out another tired temple it actually simulates the human environment with all the clutter and business that entails.

I appreciate your defence of LoL, and sympathise with what you say, a little - even if, ultimately, I belong in the Pipaluk / Pacu "what's a waste of money (and opportunity)" camp.

It may very well be an accurate representation of the human environment- but, even if it is, I would ask whether this is a good thing. I totally get the desire to try to mimic a natural environment, with ersatz baobab trees or ice floes or whatever (even if I don't particularly enjoy such things). But to mimic a human environment? With all its ugliness and - by definition - its rejection of nature? To tell a particular story relating to the animals on show, yes - but it is just one story, amongst many, and it seems to limit by design the interpretation of those animals: forever, the London lions will be illustrating the issues surrounding lion-human interaction.

My primary criticism of this, though, is that it is so clearly directed at children: I would never visit my local - heavily child-focussed - zoo, because, doing so, I would feel a little odd: it is wholly set up for children under the age of 10, not for adults who wish to observe, photograph and enjoy living animals. Likewise, as an adult in LoL, I feel as if I have gate crashed a children's party (especially when they do that godawful 'injured lion' nonsense).
 
forever, the London lions will be illustrating the issues surrounding lion-human interaction.

Agree, and it also gives a somewhat skewed impression- only relatively few Lions in the Gir come into human conflict/live near habitation. I've been there and much of it is natural dry thorn forest which contains the major percentage of the Lion population.
 
The enclosures themselves are some of the best in the zoo. The langurs' feels a little empty, if they can either add more individuals or just get some breeding going it will become much more lively I think..

I think they will just rely on breeding to up the numbers. Adding any more(it would have to be only females) could be problematic to a settled trio now. Either sex might be rejected.
 
I've been to London Zoo only once, about two monthts back.

Saw the male ayeaye at the end of the day, and saw the slender loris as well, in both enclosures (bushbabies and potto too)
Only species I missed, was the Southern Luzon cloud rat (would have been a new species for me as well...) and lesser hegdehog tenrec
 
There is obviously a problem with the lions' in terms of the individuals not choosing to use the space but it's not at all obvious this is due to design issues.

I don't think its all down to design either. I rather wish Bhanu and his brother had both come to London together- he might have behaved differently/more confidently and what a good show it would have made to.:) I wonder if he's still stressed from being shipped from Canada and losing his longtime companion(who is now only a few miles out of London at Chessington) both at the same time?

For the females only time will show if they will use the new part but they seem happy with what they know. Unfortunately the design does mean expectations are raised significantly- which leads to the problems of viewing becoming highlighted.
 
Couple of observations.

When it first opened there were viewing windows on the side descent from the top left corner that did mean the corner was more visible. Clearly visiitor efforts to get a better view and attract the lions attention disturbed the lions who would patrol the boundary . so unsurprisingly those windows were covered with bamboo and I suspect the fence thickened and made taller.

I believe recently there was wasp problem in Bhanu's enclosure so I think for a while the regular placement of food in the outer enclosure was not occurring rather various other enrichment for him to explore being placed around.
 
Couple of observations.

When it first opened there were viewing windows on the side descent from the top left corner that did mean the corner was more visible. Clearly visiitor efforts to get a better view and attract the lions attention disturbed the lions who would patrol the boundary . so unsurprisingly those windows were covered with bamboo and I suspect the fence thickened and made taller.

I believe recently there was wasp problem in Bhanu's enclosure so I think for a while the regular placement of food in the outer enclosure was not occurring rather various other enrichment for him to explore being placed around.

Spot on with both of your observations. The only thing I can add is that yesterday (Friday) even though there was no food out, Bhanu did have a brief walk round before disappearing from view
 
Agree, and it also gives a somewhat skewed impression- only relatively few Lions in the Gir come into human conflict/live near habitation.
Reading other comments, as well as this, helped me see what I found wrong with it. The set up was almost like an impression of how a small poorly funded zoo might exist in another country. I didn't like LoL at all when I went.
 
Spot on with both of your observations. The only thing I can add is that yesterday (Friday) even though there was no food out, Bhanu did have a brief walk round before disappearing from view

It would be interesting to know if Bhanu's brother at Chessington is equally retiring, or if he's already with the female there and/or shows himself any better.
 
I've been to London Zoo only once, about two monthts back.

Only species I missed, was the Southern Luzon cloud rat

Err...Panay bushy-tailed cloud rat I believe...Southern Luzons are only found in Czech Republic and Leipzig.

I visited today and got great views of the red duiker and male aye aye. Also saw Bhanu for a few minutes, with no food being about, so it is encouraging that he has been out and about minus food the past couple of days.

The serval definitely lives in the offshow area behind TT, I saw her being taken there by a keeper.
And no sign of Mbuti (male okapi) or Melati today...
 
Also saw Bhanu for a few minutes, with no food being about, so it is encouraging that he has been out and about minus food the past couple of days.

Sounds like he is slowly adjusting then. Like the Twycross Gibbons, it can take a long time.
 
And no sign of Mbuti (male okapi) or Melati today...

Mbuti was inside enjoying his food late this afternoon looking fine as was the female in the other stall.

Melati (tiger) very visible and cubs actively in view for quite a while this afternoon.
 
Unless things have changed again since I was there August 15, the Panay Cloud Rats are off-exhibit and their enclosure is for more Malagasy Giant Rats.

EDIT: Just noticed Ralph said his visit was two months back, though will still leave this here in case it hasn't been posted yet.

~Thylo:cool:
 
Unless things have changed again since I was there August 15, the Panay Cloud Rats are off-exhibit and their enclosure is for more Malagasy Giant Rats.

EDIT: Just noticed Ralph said his visit was two months back, though will still leave this here in case it hasn't been posted yet.

~Thylo:cool:

It hasn't been posted yet I don't think; you are indeed correct. The cloud rats never made an appearance so the keepers felt it better to put something that quite frankly needed the space and was more active in there, whilst the cloud rats returned offshow (they had already been offshow for quite a while) It's not surprising really, I am a (relatively, compared to some people on here ;) ) seasoned visitor (having visited at least three times a month for the past nine years) and I've only ever seen them twice since they went onshow in 2010
 
Also, the tiger cubs have been sexed and named: a boy and a girl called Achilles and Karis. A video is available to watch on the zoo's Facebook page.
 
What else is still INSIDE the Casson?
Are any of the former stalls utilised?
Is anything using the former pygmy hippo pool?

The former pygmy hippo pool (elephant bath) was signed for Tapir but they were together in the main indoor area last week. bearded pigs opposite them.

From memory: kinkajou, alaotran gentle lemur mixed with large hairy armadillo., Meerkats, yellow mongoose and ferrets. Can't remember anything else, a couple of empty enclosures.
 
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