Movie review rant 2018

I'll even admit that apart for one thing (those who have scene the movie now what I'm talking about), she has not real point in being in the movie. Fun Fact: Her character was originally going to have a lesbian reveal but thus was cut for time. I'm glad they did this (not because I think anything is wrong with lesbian) but it would of added nothing to the movie.
 
I'm glad they did this (not because I think anything is wrong with lesbian) but it would of added nothing to the movie.

I'm glad they chose not to do this as well, I'm also all for people loving who they want, (lesbians in particular! ;)), but it gets right on my nerves when any film tries to force a sub plot in with a totally out of place love story. Jurassic World didn't need one, Age Of Ultron didn't need one (Hulk and Widow, just NO!), and I'm sure there are countless other examples. If a film is going to do this then can they at least make sure it fits and the actors are believable? Probably too much to ask nowadays! :(
 
@Brum Yeah that whole Bruce Banner/Natasha Romanoff romance thing is just absolutely RIDICULOUS.

I didn't love it but I thought it made sense and was handled well. That whole hot tub Thor machine subplot was much more ridiculous imo and didn't fit the movie at all.

I do find it annoying that almost every single superhero story has to include a romantic love interest. Some are ok, even fewer are actually great/believable, most are pointless, then there's Thor and Jane Foster :p

~Thylo
 
I do find it annoying that almost every single superhero story has to include a romantic love interest. Some are ok, even fewer are actually great/believable, most are pointless, then there's Thor and Jane Foster :p
Thor and Jane made sense from Jane's perspective. It might have been only one day, but he's a demigod so any girl would be instantly smitten. I'm fairly sure that if I hit Wonder Woman with a car, I'd fall instantly in love with her too. (Although I'll admit that does sound all sorts of Misery). At the same time, I'm equally sure that a hundred years later Wonder Woman wouldn't still be moping around going "oh boo-hoo, Chlidonias is still dead, I am far too sad to move on with my life and, you know, protect the world"; she'd probably be more like "what an idiot, blowing himself up in a plane like a dumbass, I thought he was supposed to be all-seeing".
 
And lets not forget the (implied) "relationship" between Loki and the Grandmaster.
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I do find it annoying that almost every single superhero story has to include a romantic love interest.
Inserting a romantic relationship into the plot is a well-established story element to ensure that the hero is personally motivated to act heroically. And it is attractive to a certain part of the audience.
 
Inserting a romantic relationship into the plot is a well-established story element to ensure that the hero is personally motivated to act heroically. And it is attractive to a certain part of the audience.
I agree with romantic relationships, if they're well done, because as you said, they give the hero motivation. What I have a problem with is when they're done sloppily and come off as cheesy (the bad kind of cheesy, not the good kind). Also hello, @Batto Nice to meet you. From what I've gathered you're pretty big on here
 
Inserting a romantic relationship into the plot is a well-established story element to ensure that the hero is personally motivated to act heroically. And it is attractive to a certain part of the audience.

Yeah I understand why they're there, I just don't think they're done very well a lot of the time or even necessary in a lot of stories. I like Tony and Pepper, Cap and Carter, Wade Wilson and Vanessa, Sam and Gilly (Game of Thrones), etc. As @Hipporex says sometimes they come off sloppy and bad cheesy. In general I wouldn't like to see them go away, just not always have to be there and for there to be other motivations and stories outside of them.

~Thylo
 
Overall I give this movie an 8 or 9 out of 10.

The only thing you said about JWFK is that it is overcritisized, yet you give it a very high rating. I'm interested to know what you think is good about it, instead of just why it is "not that bad."

For the record, I'm somewhere inbetween you and @ThylacineAlive on this movie, and I would give it a 4 out of 10.
 
Inserting a romantic relationship into the plot is a well-established story element to ensure that the hero is personally motivated to act heroically.

But some of my favourite (recent) superhero films had zero romantic interests as part of the plot; Ragnarok was devoid of romance as Thor was single (no Sif or Jane), Bruce briefly saw Natasha on a video screen and we saw Valkyrie's lover get killed. Granted, there were some odd looks between Loki and Grandmaster but not much in the way of romance...;). Guardians volume 1 was about friendship and family, whilst volume two expanded on that further. Doctor Strange didn't do it for love, he did it because of his ego. Black Panther's love interest was barely mentioned... And then there's the new Star Wars* films, no love interest in them yet either! And all are top notch films in their own right. Point proven! (I think? ;p)

*Not counting Solo because I haven't watched it and don't want to! ;)
 
@Brum you might have some contention on all the new StarWars films being top notch ;) Solo was actually a lot of fun imo and worth the watch, even if one only watches it once. A few utterly stupid moments, though.

(Also for the record I find Black Panther to be rather meh..)

~Thylo
 
Guardians 1 & 2 (and, spoiler, Avengers: Infinity War): Peter Quill + Gamora
Doctor Strange: Strange + Christine Palmer (even if it's, allegedly, a past relationship)
BP: barely mentioned, but nevertheless there
As for Thor: Ragnarok: how could you ever forget Mjölnir + Thor? Or Korg + Miek?
And even to consider the last SW film or BP as "top notch"...*shakes head in sad disbelief*
 
@Brum you might have some contention on all the new StarWars films being top notch ;) Solo was actually a lot of fun imo and worth the watch, even if one only watches it once. A few utterly stupid moments, though.
And even to consider the last SW film or BP as "top notch"...*shakes head in sad disbelief*

Okay, top notch is overstating it, but in my defence I had to grow up with the prequels so compared to them they are of a very high quality, Rogue One not withstanding! I hold my hands up and apologise for my rose-tinted view! :p And Solo, I just don't care for it. Seen the actual trailer, seen the HISHE, and it just doesn't appeal to me.

Guardians 1 & 2 (and, spoiler, Avengers: Infinity War): Peter Quill + Gamora
Doctor Strange: Strange + Christine Palmer (even if it's, allegedly, a past relationship)
BP: barely mentioned, but nevertheless there
As for Thor: Ragnarok: how could you ever forget Mjölnir + Thor? Or Korg + Miek?

Quill and Gamora were never really a thing in the first GOTG, but that's why I only mentioned that one. Infinity War had far too many stories going on to avoid at least some romance so that's forgivable.
Doc Strange and Cristine Palmer, no longer an item and not really any romance, just Strange being an egotistical bellend. Which is why he's awesome, and not just on film! ;)
BP, alright I forgot that there are some tender moments. Hands up to that one.
And yeah, Thor and Mjolnir was touching, but Korg and Miek were just mates, I'm sure Korg is due to fall in love with another rock based entity. (Maybe he'll get with Ben Grimm when the FF finally come in to the MCU! :D)

(Also for the record I find Black Panther to be rather meh..)

I agree, definitely not a great film in the Marvel pantheon. Good in its own way but not ground breaking. Klaue and Kilmonger were the best two things about it, and given the Marvel villain problems of before that's faint praise indeed! :)
 
Okay, top notch is overstating it, but in my defence I had to grow up with the prequels so compared to them they are of a very high quality, Rogue One not withstanding! I hold my hands up and apologise for my rose-tinted view! :p And Solo, I just don't care for it. Seen the actual trailer, seen the HISHE, and it just doesn't appeal to me.

Rogue One is the best new StarWars movie to thus far!

Fair enough on Solo

Quill and Gamora were never really a thing in the first GOTG, but that's why I only mentioned that one. Infinity War had far too many stories going on to avoid at least some romance so that's forgivable.
Doc Strange and Cristine Palmer, no longer an item and not really any romance, just Strange being an egotistical bellend. Which is why he's awesome, and not just on film! ;)
BP, alright I forgot that there are some tender moments. Hands up to that one.
And yeah, Thor and Mjolnir was touching, but Korg and Miek were just mates, I'm sure Korg is due to fall in love with another rock based entity. (Maybe he'll get with Ben Grimm when the FF finally come in to the MCU! :D)

The Gamora/Quill relationship plays a pretty vital role in Infinity War :p The Doctor Strange ex-girlfriend story wasn't really focused on, no, but that's also why it's a good example of what I mean by superhero relationship stories being superfluous. Ragnarok is a perfect example of a good movie lacking that element even if there might have been some hints towards a future Thor/Valkyrie fling. Logan is another excellent example as the motivation is through helping a little girl and Charles, not a woman he fancies.

I agree, definitely not a great film in the Marvel pantheon. Good in its own way but not ground breaking. Klaue and Kilmonger were the best two things about it, and given the Marvel villain problems of before that's faint praise indeed! :)

It's certainly good, yeah, and there are a lot of elements I liked a lot, I just felt it went overboard with the Wakanda tech. and the properties (or lack there of really) of Vibranium and was more concerned with blending African culture with cool-looking "stuff" than building a realistic* setting. Don't even get me started on W'Kabi's turn on T'Challa, too... Klaue was the best part by far, even if his character was cooler in Age of Ultron ;) Kilmonger didn't strike me as being as deep and menacing as most people found him. I mean his plan to take over Wakanda made absolutely no sense. He's still one of the better villains they've had, though.

*To elaborate I felt Wakanda didn't seem realistic within the MCU's version of Earth.

~Thylo
 
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