Why can't Ostrava breed elephants?
Asian Elephants in Europe 2021
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Faya isn't going anywhere. Throng Nhi and her daughter Nhi Linh do. Fahim has bred with Faya and Throng Nhi, but it's not yet known if it was succesful.
What prevents exporting elephants from Europe to zoos in North America? From the news on this forum, many American zoos need to get new elephants.
Is it known where Trong Nhi and Nhi Linh will be moving? I heard they might come to the U.S., and I really hope they do, we could use a couple more breeding cows.
The intention is indeed to move them to the U.S.
Elephantelephant
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Oh, I wrote it wrong. Of course, Faya remains, Trong Nhi and Nhi Linh travel.
Elephantelephant
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It is sad. Especially also the fact that this year almost only bulls are being born. Especially that Ostrava can't have a calf is weird. Vishesh had her last calf in 2017 and should have another.
But I have a question. Why can Faya or Omysha have calves, but Rashmi can't? It cannot be a genetic representation, because Fahim comes from Zurich and has many relatives, Thai comes from Hamburg and also has many relatives. In addition, for example, Vishesh is a genetically very valuable cow.
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I feel there may be some double standards between Western and Central European zoos when comes to elephants, and also some other EEPs of high-profile species, like gorillas. Some Western zoos with very cramped exhibits have breeding groups, and at the same time relatively larger zoos in Central Europe have breeding bans or are allowed to keep only bachelor groups.
Mr.Ivory
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We very much do as we only have two cows that are pregnant Asha due in 2022 and Phoebe due this summer
From my understanding their institution has been picked for awhile now. Only awaiting permits at this point. I’m sure we will find out in the very near future. Fingers crossed the us government hurry’s along before a EU zoo has an opening and they don’t get to travel over here.
A very fitting facility. Now spike will finally get some cows to breed with! ( although I still do hope that they send him out within the next five or six years to go breed elsewhere as well)
Nina at Le Pal has given birth to a healthy calf!
And it is...a boy
A darn shame, so many bull calves the past few years. At least this little one is reasonably genetically valuable, and has the potential to be an impressive looking animal down the road. Fingers crossed the next one is a girl.
Article ( in French ) about the birth :
Un nouveau né parmi nous ! - actualités et nouveautés au PAL, parc d'attractions et parc animalier
Well, I sure am glad to see it confirmed. Do you know when they finally said this? I might just be late and unaware lol.
Elephantelephant
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Very good. I expected that because after the death of Shanthi and Ambika, the zoo certainly wanted new cows.
It would be great if Trong Nhi was already pregnant after arriving in the USA.
I have a question regarding Asian Elephant subspecies in Europe. So I understand that Hannover has a herd of Bornean hybrids and some of them have been moved to Pairi Daiza as well as some other bachelor facilities. Are they barred from breeding? Is Europe phasing out Borneans? I also understand there is a herd of Sumatrans in Madrid who are actively breeding. Are they only allowed to breed within their subspecies? What about Sumatran hybrids, like Horas, Dimas, and Cinta? Are they barred from breeding? So overall, I guess my question is how is the EEP dealing with Asian Elephant subspecies?
Mai Thai
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1. Borneans and hybrids are barred from breeding
2. Europe is phasing out borneans
3. Sumatran Elephants are only allowed to breed within their subspecies because they have their own SSP
4. Sumatran hybrids are all on phase out and are barred from breeding
5. The EAZA has divided their elephant into three categories, the first is the Mainland SSP. This includes the Indian, Sri Lankan, and Malayan subspecies. The second is the Sumatran elephant SSP. Third is borneans and hybrids, which are barred and on phase out.