Rajang-GOAT
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Ok thank you for confirming this.
Asian Elephants in Europe 2021
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Mr.Ivory
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Found this interesting pdf regarding Ramat Gan elephants in 1987 https://digitalcommons.wayne.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1152&context=elephant
At the end of 2020, it was once said that Einga-Tha (11 years) would move to another zoo in 2021, but I have heard nothing more about that and he is still in Emmen. I don't know anything about the other bulls.
thanks.
On another note I just saw on social media that Saida has met Jenny. It’s on the zoo’s Facebook page I believe. I can’t get the link. It seems they recognize each other but from my limited elephant experience they seem to be jousting for dominance. But at least no aggression so far.
Mr.Ivory
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Hopefully he will have a chance to mate with Kungrao, Surin, and Maha Kumari
From the sound of their IG post he is just moving till his new home is ready not on a breeding recommendation. The post specifically states he's there till his new home is ready to accommodate him and then they will move him out and bring in their new breeding male. If I'm not mistaken he's currently at Rotterdam, leaving me to believe that all their females are now pregnant and they just need room for now till the two destined for the US leave some time next year.
I think the zoo where Fahim is supposed to go after Copenhagen is Lodz, as it is mentionned that he will move to Poland. I also know that one of the sons of Radza will move in Lodz, but I don't exactly know who. Wasn't Tom from Le Pal supposed to move there this summer ?
Elephantelephant
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I am wondering the same about Fahim.
It is probably for the same reason that Tom and Fahim haven't move yet to Lodz, but it's still mysterious. I hope that Fahim will only stay there for a few time. He has the potential to become a very good breeder, as he already has mated the females at Rotterdam!
I agree, the entire situation with Lodz is somewhat unusual, they've had Alexander for some time now yet drag their feet on the other bulls. Lodz received Alexander over four months ago, and he is still alone at this time. At least Fahim makes sense if they were waiting to confirm that he got all the cows pregnant, but for the younger bulls that aren't in breeding situations, it makes no sense.
In comparison, Gyor, also a bachelor holding facility, but with no prior elephant experience, also in "eastern" Europe, they received three bulls in a span of 12 days, and a fourth a few months later.
Oh well, either way, Lodz will be full of Bachelor bulls soon enough either way!
In comparison, Gyor, also a bachelor holding facility, but with no prior elephant experience, also in "eastern" Europe, they received three bulls in a span of 12 days, and a fourth a few months later.
Oh well, either way, Lodz will be full of Bachelor bulls soon enough either way!
Not to add further speculation but aren’t there issues with COVID and permits? Things that the public may never think of.
Now something more is known about why Fahim is leaving for Copenhagen.
Fahim was supposed to go to Lodz Zoo last summer. The zoo in Lodz however indicated that they needed more time to make their enclosure Fahim proof. In Blijdorp, however, there is a lack of space because Throng Nhi and Nhi Linh are also separated from the herd and Blijdorp does not have the space to keep three "groups".
As it was confirmed that Faya is pregnant, Fahim's job was over. Fahim also demolishes a lot in Blijdorp, so they were looking for a new place for him, which was found in Copenhagen. In Copenhagen they had a place for Fahim because the arrival of their new bull was also delayed. With the departure of Fahim, Blijdorp has also space to start working on the new enclosure. This also means that a new bull will not come to Blijdorp in the near future.
Whether Fahim will be allowed to breed the females in Copenhagen is not known.
Besides Fahim, the bulls Tom (currently in Le Pal) and Yoe Ma (currently in Zoo de Maubeuge) will eventually move to Lodz Zoo.
In time Trong Nhi and Nhi Linh will also move from Blijdorp. Originally it was the intention that they would move to the USA, but for some time it is unclear whether this will happen.
Fahim was supposed to go to Lodz Zoo last summer. The zoo in Lodz however indicated that they needed more time to make their enclosure Fahim proof. In Blijdorp, however, there is a lack of space because Throng Nhi and Nhi Linh are also separated from the herd and Blijdorp does not have the space to keep three "groups".
As it was confirmed that Faya is pregnant, Fahim's job was over. Fahim also demolishes a lot in Blijdorp, so they were looking for a new place for him, which was found in Copenhagen. In Copenhagen they had a place for Fahim because the arrival of their new bull was also delayed. With the departure of Fahim, Blijdorp has also space to start working on the new enclosure. This also means that a new bull will not come to Blijdorp in the near future.
Whether Fahim will be allowed to breed the females in Copenhagen is not known.
Besides Fahim, the bulls Tom (currently in Le Pal) and Yoe Ma (currently in Zoo de Maubeuge) will eventually move to Lodz Zoo.
In time Trong Nhi and Nhi Linh will also move from Blijdorp. Originally it was the intention that they would move to the USA, but for some time it is unclear whether this will happen.
They don't really need a bull for atleast another year or two as Bangka just had a calf this year and Faya is already pregnant.
EDIT: I just realized you meant Copenhagen, in that case I'm not sure. Hopefully a genetically valuable bull arrives soon as the cows are quite valuable for the population.
Mr.Ivory
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I have a feeling that Tonsak will once again head to Copenhagen, I could be worng and another bull is Ming Jung, or Rajendra