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What used to be here?
As several people have already said, this is a renovation of the old Children’s Zoo.

It does seem great and all but like AL, I really don’t see anything outstanding enough that makes it worth 80 million dollars. I might’ve thought differently if they followed through with the pangolins but obviously that didn’t happen, unfortunately. Perhaps I’ll change my mind when I visit in person soon!
 
As several people have already said, this is a renovation of the old Children’s Zoo.

It does seem great and all but like AL, I really don’t see anything outstanding enough that makes it worth 80 million dollars. I might’ve thought differently if they followed through with the pangolins but obviously that didn’t happen, unfortunately. Perhaps I’ll change my mind when I visit in person soon!
80 million really does seem excessive, but I do suppose one has to actually see the exhibits first. Hopefully the kids like it ;)
 
I think everyone agrees that the overall final price of the exhibit is insane but we also do not know the full extent of what was built. Multiple new buildings (weren't the new hummingbird and komodo dragon exhibits part of this even if they opened earlier?) and probably a ton of bts construction for keepers and ambassador animals. SDZ is still a non-profit facility so they are still going to be fairly frugal when it comes to where they spend their money (I would think that most of the funding came from donations and from the city). CA is also one of the most expensive places in the world for construction and that inflated the price over it's initial budget I assume. I'd have to see it in person first before I'd call it a waste. I know a lot of people here are going to say the money would be better spent elsewhere but that doesn't mean that the bear grotto area, Urban Jungle, and those horrible monkey cages aren't on the to do list. They probably looked at a lot of the campus, determined what areas needed renovation, what it would cost, and what years it would be best to do those renovations and the children's zoo was determined to be best if it was done first. Nothing about this exhibit stands out to me in terms of it being a waste of money but it does show that in the near future, we may be seeing $100 million exhibits that would previously cost half as much not 10 years ago.
 
This all looks great, don't get me wrong, but just to contextualise, I missed the part where this is worth $88 million plus? At least through my European lens, the reptile and invert houses are nothing special (at least in terms of species) and the rest consists of fairly mediocre (in the case of the tamandua (or ocelot, not sure which) exhibit shown above, pretty poor, honestly) exhibits for common species? The hummingbirds and tanagers looked great but ever since it's just been a bit underwhelming from my perspective - not even pangolins could make up for the massive chasm between price tag and results.

Just to be clear I know all about overblown construction costs, I live in London - but honestly this makes Land of the Lions seem like the bargain of the century. Obviously that is just from my point of view, having never visited SDZ, let alone the new Basecamp but I'd be interested to see what other who have think.
Well if you look at just the exhibits that price tag does look largely overblown. But the new childrens zoo definitely is not just exhibits. There are large playgrounds and water features and interactive displays that I have no doubt cost a large sum of money. Look at the images in the gallery, the area now has different ground levels, lots of detailed rockwork, and walk around entertainment. If you look at the childrens zoo as just a zoo the price tag makes no sense, but it’s more than just that. The new childrens zoo is an educational center amd even a mini theme park. Now should they have spent all this money to just make a tiny gentrified animal kingdom, no, but it is very clear they used all of the 80 million to do so.
 
Also, what infrastructure- electric, water, etc - needed to be overhauled for this? Is that price tag just representing physical structures, or does it also cover programming? Environmental offset costs?
 
Also, what infrastructure- electric, water, etc - needed to be overhauled for this? Is that price tag just representing physical structures, or does it also cover programming? Environmental offset costs?
All of it I would assume. The childrens zoo is very old and I wouldn’t be surprised if they just leveled everything and built all new infrastructure.
 
Was it not stated somewhere that the hummingbird and Komodo dragon houses alone were 10 million dollars to build? If you take this into consideration , the levelling of the entire complex, new builds of exhibits and other facilities, staff areas, behind the scenes areas plus the inflation in Southern California I think it’s understandable to see how they spent this much.
 
Also, what infrastructure- electric, water, etc - needed to be overhauled for this? Is that price tag just representing physical structures, or does it also cover programming? Environmental offset costs?

The old children's zoo had at least one decently sized otter habitat with underwater viewing.

I don't really get the comments comparing this to a zoo like London's Land of Lions. That exhibit was built to include a breeding pride of Asian Lions, a breeding flock of vultures, a langur troop, and some additional side habitats. This is an exhibit designed to appeal to families and entertain children as well as expand their ectotherm collection. All with a pretty impressive and diverse line-up of animals. Maybe for London Zoo with their own massive invertebrate house, the number of invertebrate additions may not seem exciting but also they're exhibiting a number of animals I've never seen in any European zoo let alone London?

I wouldn't describe any of the habitats pictured here as bad. The ambassador animals enclosures will be rotating and therefore are designed to accommodate different animals. They're not the most exciting or pretty habitats, but they're not bad either.

This wasn't designed to include a world class reptile house, a world class invertebrate house, a world class rainforest trail, and/or a world class desert exhibit, it's a children's zoo and it looks like they did a pretty damn good job even if $80million is a steep price tag and the porcupine puppet is rather ridiculous and over the top.

Personally I prefer the hummingbird aviary and Komodo Dragon habitat (the only two pieces of this project I have seen) over Land of Lions with it's extremely confusing lay-out and random inclusion of dwarf mongoose.

~Thylo
 
it's a children's zoo and it looks like they did a pretty damn good job even if $80million is a steep price tag and the porcupine puppet is rather ridiculous and over the top.
For anyone confused on what's in reference here.

San Diego Zoo unveils massive porcupine puppet
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:p
 
For anyone confused on what's in reference here.

San Diego Zoo unveils massive porcupine puppet
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:p

My favorite part of this is the video where the head education guy is talking about how they've perfectly replicated the facial features of the prehensile-tailed porcupine, just like the ones you can see at the basecamp and then they cut to a clip of him feeding an African Crested Porcupine :p

~Thylo
 
I don't really get the comments comparing this to a zoo like London's Land of Lions. That exhibit was built to include a breeding pride of Asian Lions, a breeding flock of vultures, a langur troop, and some additional side habitats. This is an exhibit designed to appeal to families and entertain children as well as expand their ectotherm collection. All with a pretty impressive and diverse line-up of animals. Maybe for London Zoo with their own massive invertebrate house, the number of invertebrate additions may not seem exciting but also they're exhibiting a number of animals I've never seen in any European zoo let alone London?

I see your point, but I never said the exhibits were similar. I was comparing them to try and ascertain exactly what is causing the massive gulf in cost, trying to eliminate factors from the conversation such as high construction costs, changes in infrastructure, population size and heavy theming, given that London is arguably the more extreme example in all four of these categories. I was in no way saying the exhibits were similar in terms of species.

As for the species list, there are admittedly a select few nice species, particularly in the hummingbird aviary (incidentally the part of the development that I referenced as interesting, at least to me).

I wouldn't describe any of the habitats pictured here as bad. The ambassador animals enclosures will be rotating and therefore are designed to accommodate different animals. They're not the most exciting or pretty habitats, but they're not bad either.

I stand by what I said. Just because they are ambassador animals, doesn't mean they should have enclosures without any privacy. The exhibit depicted is entirely unsuitable for Ocelots, one of the shyer felids, given it has essentially not a single hiding place from public view; while if a tamandua were to be displayed there, the exhibit has not a single climbing opportunity. Even the boxes presumably to give the animal respite from public view are both oriented in such a way that visitors can still see the animal! I don't care whether a habitat is pretty or not, but when an animal's basic needs aren't met it doesn't exactly fill me with confidence about the rest of the basecamp.

This wasn't designed to include a world class reptile house, a world class invertebrate house, a world class rainforest trail, and/or a world class desert exhibit, it's a children's zoo and it looks like they did a pretty damn good job even if $80million is a steep price tag and the porcupine puppet is rather ridiculous and over the top.

Personally I prefer the hummingbird aviary and Komodo Dragon habitat (the only two pieces of this project I have seen) over Land of Lions with it's extremely confusing lay-out and random inclusion of dwarf mongoose.

I never said I expected a world class reptile house or invert house - and either way neither of us have actually seen either of the buildings, so I will reserve my judgement for now - but for now I've seen absolutely nothing (other than, in part, perhaps the hummingbird house) that justifies the obscene amount of money that was spent on it. And thanks for pointing out the porcupine statue :P, not sure what they were thinking there but that thing result in far more nightmares than wildlife education.

I might be being a bit tough on the zoo, but I think this is also in part a disservice to zoos across the US and worldwide. First off, it and Columbus's monstrosity create a precedent of spending outlandish sums of money on exhibits instead of working more with what they have and trying to tweak and renovate it in a way that won't set them back a tenth of a billion dollars. If Schoenbrunn can do it with 200+ year old buildings, I'm sure American zoos can. Secondly it just adds fuel to the anti-zoo sentiment's fire. From their perspective, they see a high profile zoo spending $88 million on an exhibit housing animals almost entirely of no conservation interest and that is something that they might, and probably will, pounce on.

It's not only this particular exhibit on its own that worries me but also the repercussions it could have or the narrative it could create. I understand why the spending of such a sum could well be a good investment but it does frustrate me on a number of levels.
 
I see your point, but I never said the exhibits were similar. I was comparing them to try and ascertain exactly what is causing the massive gulf in cost, trying to eliminate factors from the conversation such as high construction costs, changes in infrastructure, population size and heavy theming, given that London is arguably the more extreme example in all four of these categories. I was in no way saying the exhibits were similar in terms of species.

As for the species list, there are admittedly a select few nice species, particularly in the hummingbird aviary (incidentally the part of the development that I referenced as interesting, at least to me).



I stand by what I said. Just because they are ambassador animals, doesn't mean they should have enclosures without any privacy. The exhibit depicted is entirely unsuitable for Ocelots, one of the shyer felids, given it has essentially not a single hiding place from public view; while if a tamandua were to be displayed there, the exhibit has not a single climbing opportunity. Even the boxes presumably to give the animal respite from public view are both oriented in such a way that visitors can still see the animal! I don't care whether a habitat is pretty or not, but when an animal's basic needs aren't met it doesn't exactly fill me with confidence about the rest of the basecamp.



I never said I expected a world class reptile house or invert house - and either way neither of us have actually seen either of the buildings, so I will reserve my judgement for now - but for now I've seen absolutely nothing (other than, in part, perhaps the hummingbird house) that justifies the obscene amount of money that was spent on it. And thanks for pointing out the porcupine statue :p, not sure what they were thinking there but that thing result in far more nightmares than wildlife education.

I might be being a bit tough on the zoo, but I think this is also in part a disservice to zoos across the US and worldwide. First off, it and Columbus's monstrosity create a precedent of spending outlandish sums of money on exhibits instead of working more with what they have and trying to tweak and renovate it in a way that won't set them back a tenth of a billion dollars. If Schoenbrunn can do it with 200+ year old buildings, I'm sure American zoos can. Secondly it just adds fuel to the anti-zoo sentiment's fire. From their perspective, they see a high profile zoo spending $88 million on an exhibit housing animals almost entirely of no conservation interest and that is something that they might, and probably will, pounce on.

It's not only this particular exhibit on its own that worries me but also the repercussions it could have or the narrative it could create. I understand why the spending of such a sum could well be a good investment but it does frustrate me on a number of levels.

I suspect the biggest cause on the inflated budget is simply its being in Southern California. As has been stated by others, costs of anything right now here are getting pretty painful. Building materials are up 30-50% across the board. Fuel is double what it was 2-3 years ago. Minimum wage had another hike in January (which is already negated by the price spike) which means it costs more for what laborers they can get in the first place. The shipping costs to bring in plants and animals are painfully high. The cost of the new complex has been spiking upwards ever since they started, right along with everything else going up. For the most part I think a significant amount of the final price tag is nothing more than inflated prices.
 
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