Zoo/Aquarium Hot Takes

Neither do keepers and breeders automatically always know more about (exotic) veterinary medicine than specialised vets. Nor do they have the same legal competences and rights. Cooperation, not pissing contests, should be the goal.

Really great post here.

I am an extremely minor private keeper/breeder of reptiles and the attitude in the hobby is something I've always found to be misinformed. A lot of veteran keepers will advise new keepers to avoid vets altogether. There's a strange dogma that in a lot of cases keepers are better off treating animals on their own without a qualified vet. This is nuts to me. Just because your local dog/cat vet lacks experience with reptiles does not mean you shouldn't seek another. DVMs still have a vastly superior knowledge of microbiology and zoonosis than any hobbyist YouTuber without a practice.

Private keepers have done a great deal in advancing breeding and care for some species. That said, practices in zoos differ than most people who keep exotics in the home. Quarantine is more stringent, cross-contamination is strictly controlled, and staff vets await any time something goes awry. Zoos also have the means to test every animal that comes into their collection for viruses and bacteria before they bloom and become a problem in a large group of animals.

Hobbyists have their place. I'm astonished at what advances private keepers have made particularly in monitor lizard husbandry over the last 20 years. Ball pythons were once anorexic snakes than nobody could get to eat. Now their care is so well understood that there are probably too many of them out there. However, you have to look at longevity. There's a reason a zoo can keep a green tree python alive for almost 20 years while private keepers often struggle to get them past 8.

As you say, the solution should be cooperation, not constant badmouthing minus context.
 
Ok, I'm gonna be honest. Hippo exhibits with no underwater viewing > Hippo exhibits with underwater viewing.

At this point, I came to the point that I feel like I enjoy watching hippos in a river like exhibits where I can watch hippos submerge without actually seeing them. I don't know why, but the surprise factor that comes from these really makes it incredible to watch.

And for some reason, I just can't help but to feel like acrylic crystal clear viewing of the exhibits are... starting to look more artificial to me? Don't get me wrong, it looks absolutely amazing, especially for San Diego's and Busch Garden's. But overtime, the more I look at them, they just don't look... really natural for me personally.

Note this doesn't mean I don't exactly favor outdated concrete like exhibits of many old hippo exhibits, but I feel like I would've preferred if zoo exhibits start to exhibit them more in their natural river style in Africa, preferably in a pod.

Cheyenne Mountain Zoo has the second best hippo exhibit in US behind Disney in my opinion, and I absolutely love the eye-level view of the hippos, and seeing them pop up suddenly is a great moment to see.

And I also think that my local Taman Safari has better exhibit for hippos than 90% of the zoos in US. It may not have underwater viewing, but it has great grazing areas and seeing hippos from above are better to look at IMO.

Oh, and one more thing. I got PISSED when I saw Pygmy Hippos with underwater viewing. Zoos always somehow forgot the fact that they are TERRESTRIAL creatures, and these waters take up more space than the land area.
 
Oh, and one more thing. I got PISSED when I saw Pygmy Hippos with underwater viewing. Zoos always somehow forgot the fact that they are TERRESTRIAL creatures, and these waters take up more space than the land area
Pygmy Hippos are semi-aquatic, not terrestrial. While yes, it's important to give them land, it's also imperative for zoos to provide them with access to a large pool (so that they can submerge in it) as well. This is an issue with both hippo species, in my opinion, where water space is prioritized over land space when in reality for commons in should be around 50:50 in an ideal exhibit, and for pygmies a skew towards land, around 70:30. Even though there is a substantial land area, I have seen Pygmy hippos in the water at the Franklin Park Zoo (which has underwater viewing) on multiple occasions, so the water is still an important aspect of the exhibit for them.
 
Pygmy Hippos are semi-aquatic, not terrestrial. While yes, it's important to give them land, it's also imperative for zoos to provide them with access to a large pool (so that they can submerge in it) as well. This is an issue with both hippo species, in my opinion, where water space is prioritized over land space when in reality for commons in should be around 50:50 in an ideal exhibit, and for pygmies a skew towards land, around 70:30. Even though there is a substantial land area, I have seen Pygmy hippos in the water at the Franklin Park Zoo (which has underwater viewing) on multiple occasions, so the water is still an important aspect of the exhibit for them.

Yeah I guess I'm pissed at the rather lack of substantial land area. Lincoln Park has got to be some of its worst offenders.
 
Toledo Zoo has some spectacular WPA-era buildings (Aquarium, Aviary, Reptile House, Museum of Natural History), but the zoo is really disappointing when it comes to many key mammal species. The new brown bear enclosure already looks small and barren, plus exhibits for polar bears, wolves, tigers, snow leopards, elephants, gorillas and orangutans are all ordinary and too tiny for their inhabitants. Are any of those mammals in modern, top-class habitats? Nope. The zoo has done a fantastic job overhauling some of its historic structures in recent years, but to have that many popular megafauna species all in poor exhibits is a real shame. It's why Toledo is almost universally never recognized as an elite zoo, as there is too much mediocrity other than the magnificent animal buildings.
 
IMO, any species or kind of animal can lend itself to a super interesting habitat. Ik that ain't a spicy take but I feel it's something that can be forgotten

I also think you can have a lot of fun with an exhibit area concepts like that Marco Polo thing at RWPZ
 
Toledo Zoo has some spectacular WPA-era buildings (Aquarium, Aviary, Reptile House, Museum of Natural History), but the zoo is really disappointing when it comes to many key mammal species. The new brown bear enclosure already looks small and barren, plus exhibits for polar bears, wolves, tigers, snow leopards, elephants, gorillas and orangutans are all ordinary and too tiny for their inhabitants. Are any of those mammals in modern, top-class habitats? Nope. The zoo has done a fantastic job overhauling some of its historic structures in recent years, but to have that many popular megafauna species all in poor exhibits is a real shame. It's why Toledo is almost universally never recognized as an elite zoo, as there is too much mediocrity other than the magnificent animal buildings.
I completely agree, however I think the animal houses are so good that they more than make up for the zoo's mediocre outdoor areas and make it really one America's greatest zoos. If the zoo would invest into its outdoors areas and take them up to the status its animal houses are, it could become my all-time favorite zoo.
 
Toledo Zoo has some spectacular WPA-era buildings (Aquarium, Aviary, Reptile House, Museum of Natural History), but the zoo is really disappointing when it comes to many key mammal species. The new brown bear enclosure already looks small and barren, plus exhibits for polar bears, wolves, tigers, snow leopards, elephants, gorillas and orangutans are all ordinary and too tiny for their inhabitants. Are any of those mammals in modern, top-class habitats? Nope. The zoo has done a fantastic job overhauling some of its historic structures in recent years, but to have that many popular megafauna species all in poor exhibits is a real shame. It's why Toledo is almost universally never recognized as an elite zoo, as there is too much mediocrity other than the magnificent animal buildings.
This is my problem with people giving more weight for mammals. Toledo has amazing exhibits for birds, herps, and aquatic animals but since it is a mediocre-average zoo for mammals, people don’t view it as an elite zoo, which is fine. The problem is that a zoo that is elite for mammals but only average for birds, herps, and fish is seen as an “elite” zoo.
 
Toledo Zoo has some spectacular WPA-era buildings (Aquarium, Aviary, Reptile House, Museum of Natural History), but the zoo is really disappointing when it comes to many key mammal species. The new brown bear enclosure already looks small and barren, plus exhibits for polar bears, wolves, tigers, snow leopards, elephants, gorillas and orangutans are all ordinary and too tiny for their inhabitants. Are any of those mammals in modern, top-class habitats? Nope. The zoo has done a fantastic job overhauling some of its historic structures in recent years, but to have that many popular megafauna species all in poor exhibits is a real shame. It's why Toledo is almost universally never recognized as an elite zoo, as there is too much mediocrity other than the magnificent animal buildings.
Exhibits like the Natural History Museum seem absolutely amazing, with creative and interesting display ideas (walk through poison frog and small reptile exhibit? Take my money!) and a variety of rare species. The Toledo Zoo has also been historically groundbreaking (Hippoquarium), It's strange to see this kind of creativity and outside of the box thinking not extended to its showstoppers.
 
This is my problem with people giving more weight for mammals. Toledo has amazing exhibits for birds, herps, and aquatic animals but since it is a mediocre-average zoo for mammals, people don’t view it as an elite zoo, which is fine. The problem is that a zoo that is elite for mammals but only average for birds, herps, and fish is seen as an “elite” zoo.
If they had amazing exhibits for even a significant collection of smaller mammals they would be overlooked the same, I think. The bias is more for charismatic megafauna, all of which happen to be mammals, than for the mammal family in general.

Some formerly elite zoos have suffered reputation for having poor big cat, bear, elephant, rhino, hippo or ape habitats and even if the rest of the collection is worth praise, messing up in key areas like those will not be almost impossible to overcome without an asterisk next to your name; similarly, doing well in any of those areas will pretty much keep you in some positive discourse for good even if you're lacking in herps and birds.

I do agree with the sentiment and mean to reinforce not undermine it.
 
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