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ZooChat is a terrible place to look for the prevalence of species in Latin American zoos because it's one of our least-covered regions. I don't know a better place though.
I do think you are just trying to claim their rarity to prove your point that they shouldn't be in Planet Zoo - which is ridiculous, as there are still quite a few species on the roster that are either a similar rarity level to Brown-throated Sloth or even rarer.
And, for the record, Brown-throated Sloths do exist in the American private trade - so if random people in the US are keeping them, I don't understand why you think it's impossible that Latin American zoos do, or why you aren't counting the myriad rescue species collections that exist throughout the Neotropics.
Corangurilla
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All of this over a bunch of ones and zeroes in the shape of a sloth
.@birdsandbats Remember when I compared the Planet Zoo and Pokemon fandoms during the Great Planet Zoo News Drought of 2022? Because the Planet Zoo fandom is starting to look a little Pokemon-y again...
‘I don't understand why you think it's impossible that Latin American zoos do, or why you aren't counting the myriad rescue species collections that exist throughout the Neotropics’
I was simply countering your suggestion that the reason for adding the three-toed was because it seemingly was more inclusive of the world’s zoos than the two-toed. Despite the two-toed being common globally, including South America, and the three-toed being held in very few zoos, possible the least of any non-exhibit animal.
You then stated otherwise and I asked for sources. You gave three examples. One of which no longer holds the species, one of which, based on googling, has no suggestion that it does have permanent sloths, and one which does. So you provided one institution in South America with permanent three-toed sloths.
So for you to call that a myriad is a stretch of the definition of that word. Your response essentially seems to be, ignore this information, and still call that an abundance of zoos. There may be a handful, but I’m fairly confident the number of permanent holdings of three-toed sloths in public facilities worldwide, is the lowest of any non-full exhibit species in the game, and thus underserving of a slot versus the very similar two-toed sloth…
“I do think you are just trying to claim their rarity to prove your point that they shouldn't be in Planet Zoo”
Yeah, obviously Sherlock, I was trying to point out they were extremely rare in captivity and therefore less deserving of a roster spot in PZ than the two-toed, that was the whole point of my original post you tried to counter argue. What did you think this discussion was about? You seem to have just forgotten the whole basis of your original counter argument? Why else are we talking about the number of sloths in captivity on the Planet Zoo thread .
but honestly, I give up. We have differing opinions and you don’t seem to actually have evidence to back up your claims despite boasting to. So this is redundant. But I stand firmly by the point, along with seemingly most of the community on the Frontier forums, PZ YouTube community, ZSU discord and PZ Reddit, that the three-toed sloth was a poor and unwarranted choice of species for this game. It’s a shame really, because for realism players, they could’ve added one of the most utilisable species to the game, and instead chose to add a redundant species that’s largely unusable, in the face of an already lacking SA roster.
I'm not a regular PZ player, but it's interesting how much zoo game discourse has shifted to a realistic concern about fewer animal slots. In the glory days of zt1/zt2, people were always asking for more; there was never the assumption the inclusion of X was to the exclusion of Y. There's times this concern seems entirely appropriate and times it feels a bit over negative, but it's such an interesting shift.
I look forward to having the gibbons. Makes me want to play PZ more than most animal reveals I've seen. I don't know the roster well enough to say if it is or isn't a justified inclusion.
I look forward to having the gibbons. Makes me want to play PZ more than most animal reveals I've seen. I don't know the roster well enough to say if it is or isn't a justified inclusion.
I would say it is not the first time that Plant Zoo offers a species that is extremely rare in real-life captivity, Goliath Frog is almost absent in captivity (based upon Zoochat's Media, only the KawaZoo in Japan has this species in recent years), Platypus is kept by only one institution outside of Australia (SDZSP), Chinese Pangolins are held by only Taipei, Ueno, Leipzig, Prague and probably Saigon. Proboscis Monkeys are only held by the zoos near their natural range plus Chimelong and Zoorasia, none of the Western institutions has them. But we still have them in the Planet Zoo. So having Brown-throated Sloth is totally fine, I think the reason why the Frontier makes Brown-throated Sloth rather than Two-toed is b/c the best-known sloth character around the world, the Flash from Zootopia is a three-toed sloth
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I was really hoping that when we got a Tropical DLC, it would be an animal pack rather than a regular one. After all, tropical environments have so much diversity. Plus it would be a good opportunity to add some more South American species to the game, it's kind of lagging there. The animal roster is kind of lackluster to me. (not that that will stop me from buying it, ha ha) The fossa, sloth, and red river hog are good additions. But since we already have a gibbon, I would have liked to see a different primate species. Ideally a New World monkey. And since we already have the Nile monitor, I would have preferred an animal other than the Asian water monitor. Maybe a coati or ocelot.
The lack of birds for the new large habitats has me thinking they just might be planning that much-desired Birds DLC.
Most sloths depicted in media and consumer products (sloths are a pretty trendy animal right now, you can buy a lot of sloth stuff at the moment) are designed after three-toed sloths. It's the more familiar-looking species, though I doubt most people really recognize the distinction.
While I like a largely realistic roster, I also like to see rarer animals put in. It mixes things up, it can allow for more diversity, and like, a lot of individual zoos do have some rare animal and it can be fun to pretend that you're making that zoo.
The lack of birds for the new large habitats has me thinking they just might be planning that much-desired Birds DLC.
Most sloths depicted in media and consumer products (sloths are a pretty trendy animal right now, you can buy a lot of sloth stuff at the moment) are designed after three-toed sloths. It's the more familiar-looking species, though I doubt most people really recognize the distinction.
While I like a largely realistic roster, I also like to see rarer animals put in. It mixes things up, it can allow for more diversity, and like, a lot of individual zoos do have some rare animal and it can be fun to pretend that you're making that zoo.
Tricoart
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Haven't played PZ in a while, but thought I'd pop my two cents in as it seems this has been a pretty common sentiment for the Monitor from the notifs I've seen here.
First, this is the only post-launch DLC varanid that Planet Zoo has had afaik, and DLC reptiles are generally given much more thought & time than base-game ones, as evidenced by their 3(?) DLC crocodilians. But that doesn't really matter to a lot of people it seems, so moving along.
Asian Water Monitors and Nile Monitors do look & behave somewhat similarly in real life, and if that were correctly translated into the game, I'd agree that the inclusion of the Water Monitor is rather useless (like the 2 separate Caiman, for example)...
...But, for some reason, it's seemingly been completely overlooked that the Nile Monitor both:
- Doesn't have behaviours that it should have (which is hopefully fixed alongside the Asian Water Monitor's release, with them both gaining access to the crocodilian diving system that they've always technically been able to use due to varanids basically being crocodilians as far as the game is concerned, causing issues such as the malformed tail you can see in the trailer.)
- Was, at least in my opinion, as if not more botched by PZ visuals & very simplified texturing than the Lion was. For context, here's an actual Nile Monitor:
And here's PZ's rendition:
Several exotic ground bird species are very suitable for this tropical theme, like Congo Peafowl, Kagu, Maleo and they don't even need flying mechanics. But the Frontier ignores them all and clones the Nile Monitor to make Asian Water Monitor, that is why I said the Frontier is "lazy"
Haven't played PZ in a while, but thought I'd pop my two cents in as it seems this has been a pretty common sentiment for the Monitor from the notifs I've seen here.
First, this is the only post-launch DLC varanid that Planet Zoo has had afaik, and DLC reptiles are generally given much more thought & time than base-game ones, as evidenced by their 3(?) DLC crocodilians. But that doesn't really matter to a lot of people it seems, so moving along.
Asian Water Monitors and Nile Monitors do look & behave somewhat similarly in real life, and if that were correctly translated into the game, I'd agree that the inclusion of the Water Monitor is rather useless (like the 2 separate Caiman, for example)...
...But, for some reason, it's seemingly been completely overlooked that the Nile Monitor both:
- Doesn't have behaviours that it should have (which is hopefully fixed alongside the Asian Water Monitor's release, with them both gaining access to the crocodilian diving system that they've always technically been able to use due to varanids basically being crocodilians as far as the game is concerned, causing issues such as the malformed tail you can see in the trailer.)
- Was, at least in my opinion, as if not more botched by PZ visuals & very simplified texturing than the Lion was. For context, here's an actual Nile Monitor:
And here's PZ's rendition:
Worth noting the Komodo was a Deluxe Bonus so somewhat post-launch.
Corangurilla
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What?
Ok, I rewatched the trailer and the tail indeed looked a little weird, but that looks like the kind of detail that’ll get ironed out in a patch note. Unless you meant something else.
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Tricoart
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Yeah, I said post-launch ‘cause of the Komodo. I wouldn’t consider it post-launch, though, ‘cause Deluxe Edition was available for purchase before & when the game launched (and technically gave you access to the game before it’s launch).
I hope that’s the case, but (again, prefacing by saying I haven’t played the game in at least a year) IIRC the tail sometimes malforming was kind of a basal issue with varanids in the game. May be wrong, though.
Tricoart
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What changed in this pack, though? You could say the same for pretty much all packs in the game. For example, in order for as long as I’ll let myself research:Several exotic ground bird species are very suitable for this tropical theme, like Congo Peafowl, Kagu, Maleo and they don't even need flying mechanics. But the Frontier ignores them all and clones the Nile Monitor to make Asian Water Monitor, that is why I said the Frontier is "lazy"
- SA: Rhea, Tinamou
- AUS: Emu, Bush Turkey, Bush Stone-Curlew, Brolga
- AQUA: (Excluding other penguin species) Flightless Cormorant, Titicaca Grebe, (Cranes, Storks, Egrets, etc.)
- SEA: Red Junglefowl (or other Junglefowl), Maleo, & many others
- AF: Helmeted Guineafowl (or other Guineafowl), Lesser Flamingo, Grey Crowned Crane
- NA: Wild Turkey, American Flamingo, Sandhill Crane
- EU: Western Capercaillie (or other Grouse), Ring-Necked Pheasant (or other Pheasants), Common Crane
- WET: Jabiru (or other Stork), Whooping Crane (or other Crane), Great Egret (or other Egret)
- CON: Takahe, Kakapo, Siberian Crane, Northern Rockhopper Penguin
Why’s this pack the one that needs a ‘flightless’ bird all of a sudden?
Planet Zoo will eventually follow the Jurassic World Evolution formula and introduce birds and marine life in the sequel
In seriousness, I tried playing today for the first time in months and I still absolutely suck at this game. It took me a while to get used to JWE2 but it's so different from the various 2000s zoo sims. The amount of menus is still overwhelming. I know I'll get the hang of it, especially if I ever get to spend more than an hour on it at once, but it's been a long time since I've felt so bad at a video game!
In seriousness, I tried playing today for the first time in months and I still absolutely suck at this game. It took me a while to get used to JWE2 but it's so different from the various 2000s zoo sims. The amount of menus is still overwhelming. I know I'll get the hang of it, especially if I ever get to spend more than an hour on it at once, but it's been a long time since I've felt so bad at a video game!
Corangurilla
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Well, the Brown-Throated Sloth was officially revealed today. I think it looks good, but a little motion might be needed to fully form an opinion.
I think it would be awesome if Planet Zoo creators made famous zoo animals so why not start with a couple of the largest ones of all? I don't mod myself as this is just a Photoshop edit, but does anyone want to make my mod dreams come true? I hope that either Narwhaler or @Leaf Productions could create this! Others such as Bolivar (1861-1908), Chengallur Ranganathan (???? - 1917), Black Diamond (1898-1929), Raja Gaj (1936 - 2007?), Packy (1962-2017), Dalip (1966-2022) could be made as well.
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Sorry but for people who are not as invested in elephants this would sound rather silly. You can just rename them. This sounds like having Magnets the polar bear from zt1 which is probably one of the animals ever added to ZT1.
I think it would be awesome if Planet Zoo creators made famous zoo animals so why not start with a couple of the largest ones of all? I don't mod myself as this is just a Photoshop edit, but does anyone want to make my mod dreams come true? I hope that either Narwhaler or @Leaf Productions could create this! Others such as Bolivar (1861-1908), Chengallur Ranganathan (???? - 1917), Black Diamond (1898-1929), Raja Gaj (1936 - 2007?), Packy (1962-2017), Dalip (1966-2022) could be made as well.
It's weirder when you realize Magnet won a public poll that included a koala and a bald eagle, both of which would have been totally new species with unique behaviors. Baltimore must have just been the most invested in winning.
Is there a length or overall megabyte file limit on videos that you want to put on billboards in the game? I took an mp4 video a couple minutes long, imported it into Adobe Premiere, then exported it at 912 x 512 pixels. Then I opened up VLC media player and converted it to WebM format. It put it into the folder with all my other media and it's not showing up on the "tv screen 4m 23" sized billboard that I wanted to put it on in the game. The video is nearly 4 minutes long and is 6 megabytes in size. I'm hoping to put in videos with at least 1.5 minutes of run time.