Zootierliste America

[biggest_dreamer]

I notice there's no simple "domestic chicken", unlike every other domestic species I've needed to check, so I've been skipping chickens so far. Am I missing something? How should generic chickens be listed?

Similarly, I believe I read recently somewhere on ZooChat that most/all Indian peafowl in zoos are domestic stock. Can anyone confirm this before I add any?

 

[Torgos]

Do you have a source on the sloth bear and colobus monkeys? Not that I don't believe you, I just want to be able to have one for my own references.

Non-accredited places ranging from very good to terrible have Siberian Tigers signed. Its not out of the realm of possibility these are actually pure I guess, these places have plenty of obscure species. But I would want to know what other zoochatters think they should be added to. These are the non-AZA zoos I've been to with altaica signed:

AZ – Out Of Africa Wildlife Park
NC – Tiger World
SC – Bee City Zoo




I can confirm Greensboro had Black-footed Cats as of August or September 2023. I'm visiting Birmingham so I can confirm if they are still present soon.

Blackfoot cat at Birmingham 3 weeks ago

 

[dillotest0]

Still wondering about the caribou...
If it is a Grant's then wouldn't it count as barren-ground?

 

[SusScrofa]

I notice there's no simple "domestic chicken", unlike every other domestic species I've needed to check, so I've been skipping chickens so far. Am I missing something? How should generic chickens be listed?

Similarly, I believe I read recently somewhere on ZooChat that most/all Indian peafowl in zoos are domestic stock. Can anyone confirm this before I add any?

For the record, most peacock holders in Europe are listed under the wild bird category even though I'm pretty sure most of those zoos peacocks are no more "wild" than the ones we have here in the states. Domestic peafowl (as well as parrots, herps) aren't considered different than the wild ones taxonomically or genetically like with older domestics so maybe it doesn't really matter in those cases?

 

[PossumRoach]

Domestic peafowl (as well as parrots, herps) aren't considered different than the wild ones taxonomically or genetically like with older domestics so maybe it doesn't really matter in those cases?

But the thing is that parrots, color morph snakes, and bearded dragons are listed under domestics and breeding forms along with fur farm species that aren’t considered as domesticated (despite being selectively bred to fulfill a purpose as gnarly as it may be) by many members of society. So it seems to matter to a certain extent.

Also @biggest_dreamer domestic peafowl are listed under Domestic Animals and Breeding Forms>Fowls>Indian peafowl (Blue peafowl) (domestic forms). However it seems like other than white peafowl the general domestic listing isn’t too full. If you can match the specific color morph with the other color morphs feel free to add them to the respective categories.

 

[biggest_dreamer]

Yeah, I saw both the wild and domestic forms as separate entries which was what gave me pause. I guess what to take from this is that if it looks like a wild type, just call it the wild type in this case.

 

[dillotest0]

From what I understand Grant's caribou are classified as Porcupine/Barren-ground...

 

[Mr Gharial]

I notice there's no simple "domestic chicken", unlike every other domestic species I've needed to check, so I've been skipping chickens so far. Am I missing something? How should generic chickens be listed?

These are listed as Domestic fowl (No Breed-status)

Domestic peafowl (as well as parrots, herps) aren't considered different than the wild ones taxonomically or genetically like with older domestics so maybe it doesn't really matter in those cases?

This is usually done only for animals with clearly different colour variations from the wild animals, such as white peafowl or Blue quaker parakeets.

That's why only the Albino bristlenose pleco is listed under domesticated catfish, while the Temminck's Bristlenose (Ancistrus temminckii) is under 'wild' fish, despite it usually being considered domesicated

 

[TinoPup]

These are listed as Domestic fowl (No Breed-status)



This is usually done only for animals with clearly different colour variations from the wild animals, such as white peafowl or Blue quaker parakeets.

That's why only the Albino bristlenose pleco is listed under domesticated catfish, while the Temminck's Bristlenose (Ancistrus temminckii) is under 'wild' fish, despite it usually being considered domesicated

Even if it's a non-AZA zoo that clearly gets their peafowl from farms?

 

[Mr Gharial]

Even if it's a non-AZA zoo that clearly gets their peafowl from farms?

I'm fairly certain there's also plenty of zoos that get their guineafowl from farms or domesticated settings, but because they're the wild form, they're listed as 'wild' guineafowl.

It's an "innocent until proven guilty" type of situation... "Wild until proven domesticated" (the proof, in this case, being a recognizable domesticated breed or colour variation of this animal)

 

[TinoPup]

I'm fairly certain there's also plenty of zoos that get their guineafowl from farms or domesticated settings, but because they're the wild form, they're listed as 'wild' guineafowl.

It's an "innocent until proven guilty" type of situation... "Wild until proven domesticated" (the proof, in this case, being a recognizable domesticated breed or colour variation of this animal)

It's an interesting approach. Given how easy they are to get, I personally have the opposite believe - domestic until proven wild. Guineas, especially, are as easy to get as chickens. Peafowl are just a bit more expensive.

 

[15399]

Does anyone know if all the keel-billed toucans in the US are actually the nominate subspecies, as currently all the ones in ZTL are? Not sure if that's a mistake or not.

 

[wild boar]

While this will be an undeniably invaluable resource to have in due course, I cannot help but feel somewhat saddened by how I will no longer be seeing species lists and holders lists created by other members here. They were a great way to recognize and appreciate the passion that other members have for zoos and wildlife. Am I the only one?

 

[Coelacanth18]

While this will be an undeniably invaluable resource to have in due course, I cannot help but feel somewhat saddened by how I will no longer be seeing species lists and holders lists created by other members here. They were a great way to recognize and appreciate the passion that other members have for zoos and wildlife. Am I the only one?

As someone who posts a lot of species lists, has one holder list and contributes to others - I see where you're coming from, and figured I'd add some thoughts:

1) I can't speak for everyone else, but I plan to continue posting species lists on the forum. They contain useful information that is often not covered or immediately obvious on ZTL - where species are located within a zoo, what species are actually on-display, whether they are temporarily off-exhibit, whether or not they are signed, etc. I would hope others recognize these values and do the same, but it's up to them.

2) As for holder lists: while they've been a great resource for the US forums so far, I personally have always felt that ZooChat is not the ideal platform for that information. Full updates can only be posted all at once, and start becoming outdated immediately after posting. The threads also become filled with countless minor edits and updates that interrupt and muddy more interesting discussion.
My hope is that US forum members can now use ZTL as a repository for bulk information, and utilize the website as a tool to create or further discussion on here

 

[wild boar]

As someone who posts a lot of species lists, has one holder list and contributes to others - I see where you're coming from, and figured I'd add some thoughts:

1) I can't speak for everyone else, but I plan to continue posting species lists on the forum. They contain useful information that is often not covered or immediately obvious on ZTL - where species are located within a zoo, what species are actually on-display, whether they are temporarily off-exhibit, whether or not they are signed, etc. I would hope others recognize these values and do the same, but it's up to them.

2) As for holder lists: while they've been a great resource for the US forums so far, I personally have always felt that ZooChat is not the ideal platform for that information. Full updates can only be posted all at once, and start becoming outdated immediately after posting. The threads also become filled with countless minor edits and updates that interrupt and muddy more interesting discussion.
My hope is that US forum members can now use ZTL as a repository for bulk information, and utilize the website as a tool to create or further discussion on here

Thank you for the insight! I look forward to reading any more of the lists that you work on.

 

[15399]

I've noticed a lot of things with a source listed as "MA 01/2024". While I imagine the 01/2024 stands for January 2024, what does the "MA" stand for?

 

[TeaLovingDave]

I've noticed a lot of things with a source listed as "MA 01/2024". While I imagine the 01/2024 stands for January 2024, what does the "MA" stand for?

That'll be the initials of the person making the edit I think?

 

[Animal]

MA = Mitarbeiter = Staff

 

[splendens]

Should the collections
United States of America - San Francisco (California Academy of Sciences)
United States of America - San Francisco (Steinhart Aquarium at The CA Academy of Sciences)

Be merged? Both have a single AZA membership and the aquarium is not really seperate from the Academy as they are both under a single roof and in the same building.

Collections like Omaha have both the aquarium and zoo under one collection.

 

[pachyderm pro]

Two questions:

1.) Is there a way to see who makes a certain edit? Somebody keeps listing Matschie's Tree Kangaroo for Brookfield when they do not currently have the species. They had one off-exhibit briefly, but it is no longer around. I've gone back and changed it three times now and it would be beneficial to see who's changing things so I can message them and clarify the status.

2.) How do you completely remove a species from a zoo's listing without moving it to the "former species" tab? There have been a few instances were I initially added the wrong subspecies and then corrected it after. However, it atomically gets listed as a former species when in many instances the zoo never held the (sub)species in the first place.