Following this logic, I take it AZA studbooks also are not valid sources on ZTL since they are only accessible to AZA members. I've noticed some animals listed with a studbook as the source, should these be reported?
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Forge
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We're waiting this long for US ZTL after all, we can wait a little longer!
~Thylo
I’m going to do my best to get this through my thick skull. My apologies for whatever on my part jumped the gun, as I know I’ve been an offender for some of the stuff on this thread. I’m going to limit myself to eyewitness sourcing going forward. It was just so exciting to finally be able to finally be a part of this that I’m sure a lot of us have just been over eager to fill in the gaps.
Super excited to help out with this project, regardless. It’s strangely relaxing to put all this stuff in. On behalf of all us excitable Americans, I beg everyone to have some patience as we adjust to this
Prochilodus246
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I personally write in German for when I enter holdings, it has now become second nature to me
One more thing:
Please write complete years. There are zoos that were opened in the 18xx and also in the early 19xx.
So the numbers 20 or 22 or 24 etc don't necessarily mean much, even if well-informed people know that most zoos in the US were founded later.
But a clear name is helpful for everyone.
Please write complete years. There are zoos that were opened in the 18xx and also in the early 19xx.
So the numbers 20 or 22 or 24 etc don't necessarily mean much, even if well-informed people know that most zoos in the US were founded later.
But a clear name is helpful for everyone.
And on a related note, stick with European date format so that there is a single unified standard across the entire site.
im simply doing my best in utilizing species lists i made myself upon visits to these institutions wherein i can factually back up my experience in seeing these animals. apologies if i mess up a subspecies or two! if the glorious overlords of ztl might be able to come up with a flagging system to indicate if something should be changed or updated or removed that might be quite beneficial for accidental misclicks! absolutely in no way do i see this as a race, simply take my entries as excitement for what this provides for all those around the globe for the future! so glad to be part of this my dears.
Taking this a step further, to make sure there is no confusion, I have typed out the month in any updates I make just so nobody misinterprets (e.g., "Dec. 2023" instead of 12/2023). I'm not saying everyone has to do this, but I hope it makes it easier for readers.
Typing out the month abbreviation is definitely the best way to go about it.
Same here btw.
I upgraded your account. Please always put in your sources.
Also, people! When there is an institution missing, just send me a DM with the Name of it and the City its in and I will tend to it. Please (as many did by now in DMs and elsewhere) refrain from saying "I cant believe you missed THIS Zoo!"
All zoos for all countries (except for two) were researched and put in a list by two people. We worked for months to compile that. Of course we missed some. Just don't be mean about it.
All zoos for all countries (except for two) were researched and put in a list by two people. We worked for months to compile that. Of course we missed some. Just don't be mean about it.
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TBH I'm surprised you guys did as thorough of a job as you did on adding the zoos! I was not expecting to see some of the smaller collections near me on there!
~Thylo
Out of curiosity, what two countries weren't included?
All are included. I meant more: Two people did all the countries, but two countries were put in by two other people
Sicarius
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I'm really impressed to find small, unknown collections from Japan on there. Must have been a significant mess to put all of these online, like many other countries with a different alphabet. My respect.
A question:
Traveling exhibits that tour several facilities, staying for a few months or so - what's the general consensus on such situations? As the facility was merely hosting a traveling exhibition, it would feel to me like any species held shouldn't count.
Similarly, what about short-term loaned species? Many facilities in the states do their summer bird programs with birds received from other facilities (World Bird Sanctuary, Natural Encounters Inc, etc), what would be the appropriate move here? List the owning facility if known or the facility the species was seen at?
Traveling exhibits that tour several facilities, staying for a few months or so - what's the general consensus on such situations? As the facility was merely hosting a traveling exhibition, it would feel to me like any species held shouldn't count.
Similarly, what about short-term loaned species? Many facilities in the states do their summer bird programs with birds received from other facilities (World Bird Sanctuary, Natural Encounters Inc, etc), what would be the appropriate move here? List the owning facility if known or the facility the species was seen at?
Existing precedent - for instance, the giant panda "Happy" which arrived at London Zoo on December 24, 1938 and subsequently toured several European collections (Zoo Berlin, Zoo Hannover, Tierpark Hellabrunn, Zoo Leipzig, Zoo Köln and Zoo Vincennes) before being sold to St Louis Zoo in June 1939, where he remained until his death in March 1946 - is that species of this nature *are* listed on ZTL for all relevant zoological collections.
This also applies to the second scenario to which you refer - for instance, there's plenty of examples on ZTL where a male animal has been sent to another zoological collection to cover the females of his species held there, before returning to his "home" collection a few months later. Again, in these cases all relevant zoological collections are listed.
I know that I put all of Roger Williams' bird show birds from this summer on Natural Encounters' ZTL page, figuring that was the more appropriate place. As a source I noted I saw them at Roger Williams when on loan. I did not put Roger Williams as a former holder, however I could see the logic behind putting it there as well.