Long-overdue Species

Kalaw

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Are there any species that are either widespread in captivity, or that you have had multiple strong opportunities to see, and yet luck is simply not in your favour, and you are yet to have seen them? I have many, and in the hope that it will relieve some of the pain, I will be sharing them here, :p and am very interested to see if other ZooChat members share the agonising feeling.

Banded Mongoose (Mugo mugo): 93 European zoos hold this species, according to ZTL, 8 of which in the UK, and yet I have never seen one. Having always confused them with Dwarf Mongooses, I thought I had for quite some time, and the realisation that they remain a target species was a shocking one.

Beaver (Caspor sp.): With many childhood holidays to Southwest England, I had many night-time trips into the woodland with my parents searching for them, along with badgers. But all I had to show for it was a dead badger on the side of the road, and several trees which beavers had evidently gnawed at. I rectified the badger when discovering that a family member in Wiltshire has three that regularly visit their back gardens, but beavers continue to evade me. I went mad with excitement thinking I had seen one while cycling near Lauenberg in Germany, and although the realisation that they were invasive Nutria was a slight disappointment, they were still a nice species. Beavers are also decently common in zoos, but always seem to be sleeping without an onshow indoor area.

Eastern Quoll (Dasyurus viverrinus): I have a feeling that I may have seen one in Twilight World at Bristol Zoo when I was younger, but am by no means certain. When I returned to Bristol, the building was closed due to the pandemic, and when I returned the following year after it had opened, the last quoll had passed away. I had another chance to see them at Menagerie JdP, but with mere minutes before the zoo's closure by the time we got to their exhibit, which I dismissed as a callitrichid house due to its icon on the map, I decided to skip it, a decision that I regret to this day. :(

Fossa (Cryptoprocta ferox): Of the five euplerid species present in European zoos, the Fossa is by far the most common, kept at 36, of which 6 are in the UK. And yet, I have seen four of the five with the Fossa confusingly being the exception. They evaded me at Chester, I missed their enclosure at Marwell, and their exhibit was under renovation when I visited Vincennes! My luck with them is just terrible! :eek:
 
Are there any species that are either widespread in captivity, or that you have had multiple strong opportunities to see, and yet luck is simply not in your favour, and you are yet to have seen them? I have many, and in the hope that it will relieve some of the pain, I will be sharing them here, :p and am very interested to see if other ZooChat members share the agonising feeling.

Banded Mongoose (Mugo mugo): 93 European zoos hold this species, according to ZTL, 8 of which in the UK, and yet I have never seen one. Having always confused them with Dwarf Mongooses, I thought I had for quite some time, and the realisation that they remain a target species was a shocking one.

Beaver (Caspor sp.): With many childhood holidays to Southwest England, I had many night-time trips into the woodland with my parents searching for them, along with badgers. But all I had to show for it was a dead badger on the side of the road, and several trees which beavers had evidently gnawed at. I rectified the badger when discovering that a family member in Wiltshire has three that regularly visit their back gardens, but beavers continue to evade me. I went mad with excitement thinking I had seen one while cycling near Lauenberg in Germany, and although the realisation that they were invasive Nutria was a slight disappointment, they were still a nice species. Beavers are also decently common in zoos, but always seem to be sleeping without an onshow indoor area.

Eastern Quoll (Dasyurus viverrinus): I have a feeling that I may have seen one in Twilight World at Bristol Zoo when I was younger, but am by no means certain. When I returned to Bristol, the building was closed due to the pandemic, and when I returned the following year after it had opened, the last quoll had passed away. I had another chance to see them at Menagerie JdP, but with mere minutes before the zoo's closure by the time we got to their exhibit, which I dismissed as a callitrichid house due to its icon on the map, I decided to skip it, a decision that I regret to this day. :(

Fossa (Cryptoprocta ferox): Of the five euplerid species present in European zoos, the Fossa is by far the most common, kept at 36, of which 6 are in the UK. And yet, I have seen four of the five with the Fossa confusingly being the exception. They evaded me at Chester, I missed their enclosure at Marwell, and their exhibit was under renovation when I visited Vincennes! My luck with them is just terrible! :eek:

I don’t really have missing animals though I have a few I always try and see and mostly fail to do so (quolls at Linton I am looking at you or rather…I am not). And possums my luck goes up and down with them.

But I’d pop a recommendation in for Beale Park for banded mongoose - they have a nice open topped, spacious enclosure with good planting, opportunity for pictures for you and digging for them - they are a great looking little group with distinct individuals, usually active and one of my favourites there.

All things wild is easy to reach if you are making a trip and has American beaver (and golden jackals another unusual moment for the U.K.) and they are also great to watch and surprisingly active though might be the ‘wrong’ beaver of course.
 
Without a doubt European polecat... While not uncommonly kept, it is absent from zoos I typically visit and if I visit they tend to be temporarily absent or invisible... I haven't seen one in the wild either, though apart from otter I have seen the other native mustelids multiple times...

Panay cloud rat is another species I have missed multiple times now and it seems likely I won't ever see it... They tend to be behind the scenes or tucked away in their sleeping boxes when I visit...
 
While not necessarily widespread in captivity outside its native range, the Virginia opossum is considered to be a very common animal in North America. While they are not usually kept on display in zoos they are likely to appear in people’s gardens or suburbia, which I never seen in at all whenever I visited my relatives nor the two years I stayed at Florida.
 
While not necessarily widespread in captivity outside its native range, the Virginia opossum is considered to be a very common animal in North America. While they are not usually kept on display in zoos they are likely to appear in people’s gardens or suburbia, which I never seen in at all whenever I visited my relatives nor the two years I stayed at Florida.

Opossums seem to be decidedly more elusive than some other suburban species, I can count the number of wild opossums I've seen on one hand. Come to think of it, they're easily one of the wild mammals I've seen the fewest times.


A species that comes to mind for me is Gaboon Viper - I haven't been to a ton of zoos with them, but somehow I've missed/skipped them every time.
Most other species coming to mind are pretty much just one off misses or species I have managed to see finally.
 
Atlantic puffin, I'd say. It's not exactly a common species in captivity, but a number of high-profile zoos keep them, and yet I haven't to see them yet (not in the wild either). Copenhagen Zoo put them on-show since I last visited, and I managed to visit Hagenbeck in the short period of time when they didn't keep them (summer 2016). I haven't visited any of the other places.
 
Without a doubt European polecat... While not uncommonly kept, it is absent from zoos I typically visit and if I visit they tend to be temporarily absent or invisible... I haven't seen one in the wild either, though apart from otter I have seen the other native mustelids multiple times...

On a similar note, other than the tip of a pink snout sticking out from some straw at Five Sisters Zoo some years back, the American Mink has completely eluded me both in captivity and the wild - despite how rife the introduced population of the species still is in the UK! :o

Conversely, I've seen all the native UK mustelids in the wild (most more times than I can count) and have also seen wild Beech Marten on the continent.

I haven't visited any of the other places.

Not even Den Bla Planet? :eek:
 
Owston Civets are the main one i can think of, went to Shaldon specially, but they were off-show (so not even visible in the mirror) as the female had just had surgery and the male was with her for company
 
I have never seen an alpine ibex despite them being commonly kept in Euopean zoos (over 100 collections according to zootierliste). This is because they are rare in major zoos and there are no zoos at all in the UK that have them.

Alpine chamois is a similar situation but I possibly saw them in the wild anyway.
 
Not even Den Bla Planet? :eek:

Nope, I live in the other end of the country (a bit too long for a day trip), and I simply haven't had the opportunity to make time for a visit the few times I've been in that part of the country since they opened. Not that I don't want to see DBP, but staying in Copenhagen is expensive as all hell, and I keep finding out-of-country destinations that my wallet prioritizes higher. :p
 
On a similar note, other than the tip of a pink snout sticking out from some straw at Five Sisters Zoo some years back, the American Mink has completely eluded me both in captivity and the wild - despite how rife the introduced population of the species still is in the UK! :eek:
Does the European population act differently than the North American population, or have you just been that unlucky? I think of American Mink as a diurnal animal and I see it probably 5 or 6 times a year, without ever specifically searching for it.
 
Does the European population act differently than the North American population, or have you just been that unlucky? I think of American Mink as a diurnal animal and I see it probably 5 or 6 times a year, without ever specifically searching for it.

I've just been unlucky I think - by all accounts they aren't all that tricky to see!
 
Without a doubt European polecat... While not uncommonly kept, it is absent from zoos I typically visit and if I visit they tend to be temporarily absent or invisible... I haven't seen one in the wild either, though apart from otter I have seen the other native mustelids multiple times...

Panay cloud rat is another species I have missed multiple times now and it seems likely I won't ever see it... They tend to be behind the scenes or tucked away in their sleeping boxes when I visit...
In my case in the UK I haven't seen quite a few mammals.
I've only ever seen badgers as on the side of the road, haven't seen a red fox in years [none in the UK], Eurasian otters seem more dormant than their popular oriental relations, I haven't seen any of the weasels, shrews, moles, dormouse...
 
I haven't seen any of the weasels, shrews, moles, dormouse...

Funnily enough, last week when I went to a small zoo located within a garden centre near Durham with @devilfish we were talking about how tricky it is to see moles despite how commonplace they are; its well over a decade and a half since I last saw a living one, and he's yet to see the native species at all.
 
Funnily enough, last week when I went to a small zoo located within a garden centre near Durham with @devilfish we were talking about how tricky it is to see moles despite how commonplace they are; its well over a decade and a half since I last saw a living one, and he's yet to see the native species at all.

Our reserve warden got quite the shock in September as we had a mole out in the open on the top of the moorland.

In my case in the UK I haven't seen quite a few mammals.
I've only ever seen badgers as on the side of the road, haven't seen a red fox in years [none in the UK], Eurasian otters seem more dormant than their popular oriental relations, I haven't seen any of the weasels, shrews, moles, dormouse...

I too lack a number of native mammals with my camera traps having a larger list than me. I know we have many species around. It's just seeing them in person that is the difficult part. :rolleyes:
 
Our reserve warden got quite the shock in September as we had a mole out in the open on the top of the moorland.

By all accounts that's the best time to readily see them out in the open, as the young pups disperse and seek out new territories of their own in the late summer and early autumn. My other half's mother has seen young moles crossing the road around that time of year.
 
By all accounts that's the best time to readily see them out in the open, as the young pups disperse and seek out new territories of their own in the late summer and early autumn. My other half's mother has seen young moles crossing the road around that time of year.

Ah of course, this makes sense even though the closest ideal mole habitat was at least 2.5 miles from where she saw it.

Now moving onto what species I have still not seen yet:

1) Dromedary camel, perhaps my most embarrassing of them. I hope to finally see them at Tierpark Berlin later this year.
2) Any large crocodilian species other than Alligator mississippiensis & Tomistoma schlegelii but I hope a visit to COTW will increase my list
3) Kudus, I've not seen either species as they have become quite an uncommon sight in the UK but Berlin zoo will fingers crossed help with seeing Greater at least
4) Most Asian deer species such as Barasingha, various sika subspecies, Pere David's (!) amongst others are still missing from my lists but once again the tierpark will help clear this up
 
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