Ryley
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Who are the possible bulls?
Asian Elephants in Europe 2025
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They have four designated bachelor facilities, so there's quite a few options.
These six are possibilities:
At Zoo De Maubeuge:
1.0 Yoe Ma (04/09/2008) Radza x Mingalar Oo
1.0 Tom (19/03/2014) Chang x Nina
At La Taniere:
1.0 Rajendra (08/04/2011) Sang Raja x Tong Koon
1.0 Kitai (08/06/2014) Sang Raja x Tong Koon
At Point Scarff:
1.0 Sang Raja (24/03/1999) Chawang x Sri Nandong
1.0 La Min Kyaw (15/03/2016) Bindu x Shu Thu Zar
I'd like to see Sang Raja, or potentially one of his sons moved into a breeding situation soon. Out of the six males, those three bulls are the most valuable.
On top of the bachelor groups there are also two bulls in a potential breeding situation. I would not exclude that they move Gandhi from Palmyre. He had his time in a bachelor group and after Alix' death he is left with two old cows, so his genes would be wasted over there.
Out of the bachelor groups I think Yoe Ma has good chances since they have already moved Ananda from there. Speaking against Yoe Ma is his past from Emmen, more than well represented genes in the world of bulls... Sang Raja could be but he has already had enough offspring actually (e.g. see the two at La Taniere).
Out of the bachelor groups I think Yoe Ma has good chances since they have already moved Ananda from there. Speaking against Yoe Ma is his past from Emmen, more than well represented genes in the world of bulls... Sang Raja could be but he has already had enough offspring actually (e.g. see the two at La Taniere).
I do agree Gandhi is a chance however both his paternal/maternal lines are growing representation wise with quite successful breeding from the Irma/Chang lines lately.
Yoe Ma's well represented as you say, so I would be surprised if he was moved into a breeding situation when there are far better options ie. Sang Raja or his sons.
La Min Kyaw is also a good chance - he's also quite a valuable male, coming from quite unrepresented lines.
I don't think so. If they want Le Pal to breed then Upali is a good option as proven breeder. Plus he is suspected to have spread EEHV in Zurich and Le Pal, so moving him elsewhere would be risky.
I think her stay at Leipzig was never a happy one ..., she did not integrate well into older family lines (once the Kewa group was received from Tierpark Berlin ... her days were actually a bit numbered ... having to cope living within a functioning matriarchal herd around Kewa
The one thing we can take away now for her and daughter is that she did find a breeding partner and have a much needed calf on the ground. She will now go to Hellabrunn to continue her own matriarchal line. I do hope her and bull Gajendra will hit it off well (and eventually also Savani...).
They will be receiving a bull from a zoo in France soon.
I believe a Radza son would just be what the doctor ordered for the Australian breeding population carrying the gene for those huge tusks.
I would favour Thai origins elephants with a look at a potential in situ conservation and rehabilitation project. Feel good factor at maximum level.I believe a Radza son would just be what the doctor ordered for the Australian breeding population carrying the gene for those huge tusks.
Mr.Ivory
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Rani and her daughter Savani have successfully been transferred to Hellabrunn
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Elephantguy10
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They have already met the Elephants in Munich
It seems to be succesful
The Horse Boy
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I just discovered that the Hannover zoo planned to stop housing a breeding herd of elephants and switch to bachelors back in 2021. Is that still the plan for now?
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I am not quite sure if they will add a bachelor group, but they will for sure keep their current group as non breeders. Matriarch Manari is (same as Sayang in Pairi Daiza) Bornean elephant and their offspring hybrids - they are taken out of breeding by the EEP. I think same applies for the Sumatran elephants in Madrid.
The Horse Boy
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That makes total sense. I think they also renovated the facility to add a much bigger space for multi generationals.
Pairi Daiza announced in its newsletter that 22-year-old Farina and 6-year-old Luna are pregnant. These pregnancies came as a surprise, as there was no breeding recommendation for either of them. The even bigger surprise is that the father is 7-year-old Ta Wan, who moved to Augsburg last year. He is related to both cows.
Wow, that's very surprising news - especially considering Ta Wan's age. He would've been six years of age at the time of their conception which is very unusual. It's also surprising that he's somehow managed to mate Farina who's not a short cow at all.
Luna too has conceived quite young - she would've either have been just five years at time of conception, or even younger. Which has happened before - Sithami at Chester had Sundara when she was only six years old.
As you say, both cows are related to Ta Wan. Farina is his older half sister and Luna his both his half sister and his niece.
