Nile Hippo Expert
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They arrived there on July 13th.
Asian Elephants in Europe 2025
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Thank you for the clarification.
The Horse Boy
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I think they wanted a bull currently in a bachelor facility in France like Maubege, Pont Scorff, La Taniere, or Tourparc. But i could be wrong. I think it's time for upali to move to another facility soon anyways.
The Horse Boy
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I thought Sibu was going to be transferred to Safari Madrid to play the role of a bachelor mentor bull
Ryley
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That might have been the case but plans can change for all sorts of reasons. Hopefully we will find out more soon enough either before or after a transport.
The Horse Boy
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Anyhow, I hope Upali still has reproductive potential left. He really nailed it with millions of calves at dublin, but probably sired one at Le Pal to my knowledge.
Mr.Ivory
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Indeed, he has sired only one calf with Nina, and sired several calves while at Dublin.
The Horse Boy
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I honestly feel bewildered to why that is. Hmmmmm
He is healthy and doing well The first days are always fragile… but filled with joy, emotion, and above all, immense hope for the future of this endangered species That night, our cameras were there. Every minute, every breath, every glance was captured at the very heart of the herd… Moments of rare intensity that will remain forever engraved in the hearts of our keepers Siam now has a playmate… and already a strong bond is growing between them, woven in the heart of their family. Two young elephants, two curious hearts, ready to discover the world together Protected by the love of their mothers and guided by the entire herd, they are about to live their first great adventures in the Kingdom of Ganesha Welcome to the Pairi Daiza family, little treasure Stay tuned to witness his first steps in the Park. #pairidaiza #asianelephant #elephantbaby #elephantbirth #wildlifeconservation #animalbirth #babyanimal #endangeredspecies #elephantlove"It is a beautiful sight to watch fhe herd gather and welcome the baby.
Luna is next. This is good experience for her as she’s a first time mother.
Ryley
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Hopefully all will be well with the final birth, she is quite young.
they haven’t said when she’s due. Hopefully not until 2026. That will allow her to mature a bit.
I hate to say this but I hope it’s a bull. So he could stay in bachelor holdings. I am not sure the SSP will make any recommendations on breeding the calf is a female? Does anyone have feedback on that?
Frankie_number_1_fan
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Europe does not need more bulls, especially more inbred ones. An inbred female, while definitely still frustrating, would likely still receive reccomendations to an unrelated male assuming she is healthy. Inbreeding doesn't always have huge effects in elephants.
Unlikely as long as the matriline isn't in danger if this one cow doesn't breed.
Frankie_number_1_fan
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Good point as well, but even in that case a non-breeding cow that is situated into a matrilineal group would still have more value than an inbred bull. It's also arguable that she could still be bred despite her inbred status, it has happened before. There's an example of such a female in NA (Though that female has been unable to maintain a pregnancy, potentially due internal health issues that are undisclosed).
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The Horse Boy
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I notice the Selwo Aventura zoo has young bull accompanying an elderly cow, but he isn't allowed to breed because he is a hybrid between a Sumatran and Burmese elephant. But that mean Selwo will become a bachelor holder when their old cow passes?
Denny
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In Amersfoort Zoo asian elephant bull Maung Htoo from Touroparc zoo has arrived.
DierenPark Amersfoort verwelkomt nieuwe olifant: Maung Htoo (27) uit Frankrijk
DierenPark Amersfoort verwelkomt nieuwe olifant: Maung Htoo (27) uit Frankrijk
Yunha
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Hurray, great to welcome a new bull in Amersfoort. Hopefully Maung Htoo will spread joy around and bring some calves into the herd.
I'm interested to read Maung Htoo is one of Naing Thein's sons from Emmen. It appears even though Naing Thein sired a lot of calves, his genes are not being passed down to a new genaration by his many sons! (His daughters did have calves)
But I'm also surprised so many of the Dutch elephants are related in one way or another. Either through Ramon and his son Timber or Naing Thein, his daughters and Maung Htoo. A Maung Htoo x Kina calf would tie everyone's genetics together.
I'm just interested and not trying to ask overly critical questions here (as I definitely lack the knowledge to do that) but is there a reason why the Dutch elephant lines keep being matched up?
Denny
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Naingh Thein had many sons and daughters, but most of them died. He has 4 living sons, but only Aung Bo has offspring. But it is the combination Naing Thein with Swe San Thay. Swe San Thay was born in the wild and Maung Htoo is her only living offspring. So her genes seem to be important. But I'm not an expert. Maybe there is another reason why the coordinator made this choice. There will never be any elephant who comes from the wild, so it will be inevitable that one way or another, most of the elephants living in zoos will be related in the future, I think.
Maurice was important because his father and mother were both from the wild. But unfortunately his son and daughters are all dead.