are you referring to Thi there?
If so she was at London without a male and arrived at Chester in the early 90s and Emmett was an American import to Whipsnade over 10 years ago (I think 1997) so they have never been in contact with each other
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are you referring to Thi there?
If so she was at London without a male and arrived at Chester in the early 90s and Emmett was an American import to Whipsnade over 10 years ago (I think 1997) so they have never been in contact with each other
taun
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sorry, I misread your post. I read it as Thi was at ZSL with Emmett at some stage.
Thats better news now.
ChesterGemsbok
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I got really emotional when i heard the news about Ramans Death as Raman is my fave elephant there. I sure do hope it'd not the virus.
dragon(ele)nerd
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oh dear! some very sad news.
well I don't think it is unlikely that Raman carried the virus or Upali carries the virus.
Zurich zoo had a few calves that died from it. Xian and Aishu I think had it.
well I don't think it is unlikely that Raman carried the virus or Upali carries the virus.
Zurich zoo had a few calves that died from it. Xian and Aishu I think had it.
Upali
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So sad, never thought this would happen at chester
Oh god yeah. I forgot about the Virus at Zurich. 3 of they're calves have caught the virus, all Upali's younger brothers and sisters:
Xian born 1997 and died 1999 from the herpes virus
Aishu born 2000 and died 2003 from the herpes virus
Farha born 2005, she apparently had the virus in 2007 but fully recovered from it and is still going strong with her half siblings, Chandra and Fahim.
As the virus is thought to come from African elephants, there are a few ways in which the Zurich line could have come into contact with it. The breeding bull Maxie, performed with Africans in the Chipperfields circus before going to Zurich, also Indy another breeding female could have come into contact with it while at circus Knie which did have africans at some point.
Oh god yeah. I forgot about the Virus at Zurich. 3 of they're calves have caught the virus, all Upali's younger brothers and sisters:
Xian born 1997 and died 1999 from the herpes virus
Aishu born 2000 and died 2003 from the herpes virus
Farha born 2005, she apparently had the virus in 2007 but fully recovered from it and is still going strong with her half siblings, Chandra and Fahim.
As the virus is thought to come from African elephants, there are a few ways in which the Zurich line could have come into contact with it. The breeding bull Maxie, performed with Africans in the Chipperfields circus before going to Zurich, also Indy another breeding female could have come into contact with it while at circus Knie which did have africans at some point.
dragon(ele)nerd
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I remember reading from a article that when Indy arrived she often played with Xian and then his health diterated.
This post is just a reminder that Raman's cause of death is still stated as unknown by the zoo. Just before the virus story become an Internet fact! Let's wait for confirmation one way or the other before panicking.
Sad news, but much less of a problem than losing one of the females (to be pragmatic).
Sad news, but much less of a problem than losing one of the females (to be pragmatic).
It is ONLY speculation on here so far, everyone is aware of that- but his age and circumstances of death do seem unpleasantly familiar.
Regarding the belief that Emmet the Whipsnade bull brought HV to the UK, don't forget Port Lympne lost a calf from this too- entirely unnconnectd with Whipsnade.
Thanks. I wasn't 100% sure if what I said about Emmet was true and it turns out I wasn't (him being the only originator of the virus in the UK)
Zoogoer2000
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Emmet was born at Rosamand Gifford Zoo in Sycarause, NY
His father is named Indy and is known to have many calves who have died of the virus (Preya, Kumari and a 2006 stillborn all had the virus and died)
as well as all of his grandchildren
It is highly likely that he is a carrier so this would point towards all of Emmett's calves dying (He is most likely a carrier as well)
His father is named Indy and is known to have many calves who have died of the virus (Preya, Kumari and a 2006 stillborn all had the virus and died)
as well as all of his grandchildren
It is highly likely that he is a carrier so this would point towards all of Emmett's calves dying (He is most likely a carrier as well)
Euan, the oldest calf born at Whipsnade is still doing well.
But it does have serious implications for their future breeding. Should they replace him? The female at Twycross is also pregnant from AI from him too.
The calf that died at Port Lympne(Sittang) had no connection with Whipsnade's stock though.
dragon(ele)nerd
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I know that Port Lympne had a serious cas of the virus, that is the reason that they relocated the entired asian herd to seperate zoos and then put in a fresh herd of africans.
Is it possible that the virus in Port Lympne came via Luka?
OF his seven children there are only 2 left. His daughters Vishesh and May Thagu.
Also his 2 sisters died at a young age (8 and 6).
So maybe it came from Belgrade and was spread over Port Lympne through Luka.
It's alsow not easy what to do with Euan once he gets a bit older. Using him as a breeding bull is out of the question, just like Emmet. It is almost a fact that he carries te virus and they are still breeding with him. I would search a new bull for Whipsnade.
But back to Euan, transporting him to a zoo with only bulls like Ieper or Sevilla is also a big risk. If the other bulls there get the virus and die, or worse, they get the virus and go to another zoo for breeding and they infect the whole breeding herd. That way the whole European breeding program could be in danger.
I think it would be best that he stays in Whipsnade, maybe with Emmet. And that they search a third bull for breeding to stay with the cows.
Ore maybe a zoo that houses the infected bulls which can't be used in the breeding program .
OF his seven children there are only 2 left. His daughters Vishesh and May Thagu.
Also his 2 sisters died at a young age (8 and 6).
So maybe it came from Belgrade and was spread over Port Lympne through Luka.
It's alsow not easy what to do with Euan once he gets a bit older. Using him as a breeding bull is out of the question, just like Emmet. It is almost a fact that he carries te virus and they are still breeding with him. I would search a new bull for Whipsnade.
But back to Euan, transporting him to a zoo with only bulls like Ieper or Sevilla is also a big risk. If the other bulls there get the virus and die, or worse, they get the virus and go to another zoo for breeding and they infect the whole breeding herd. That way the whole European breeding program could be in danger.
I think it would be best that he stays in Whipsnade, maybe with Emmet. And that they search a third bull for breeding to stay with the cows.
Ore maybe a zoo that houses the infected bulls which can't be used in the breeding program .
Can they transmit the virus in others ways apart from through breeding?
taun
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However if its transmitted sexually than the females may all be carriers now, so why bother importing a new bull?
There seem so many IF's and BUT's connected with this Virus. It seems to me to be of the highest importance that the Scientists etc can get to the bottom of it- exactly how it is caused, why it strikes when it does, and hopefully find a cure too. It seems to be in danger of seriously impacting on the future of Asian elephants in zoos if it continues.
But we mustn't forget- Raman at Chester may still have died from some other cause....I hope they announce the COD a.s.a.p.
But we mustn't forget- Raman at Chester may still have died from some other cause....I hope they announce the COD a.s.a.p.
Oh ****.
However, I recommand everyone to read the very interesting and up-to-date article about herpes on Elephants Encyclopedia - facts and information about elephants since 1995
EEHV - Elephant endotheliotropic herpes virus
The article contradicts itself, because in the beginning, it says the virus may spread from healthy african elephants to vulnerable asian elephants. But the newest genetic findings almost prove that the herpes virus naturally exists in asian elephants, with many different strains. And that the different strains identified in the US do NOT come from one source, but many different sources.
Vetandy provided a very interesting theory about the high mortality in some zoos in the thread about the Whipsnade death. I`ll see if I can find it.
However, I recommand everyone to read the very interesting and up-to-date article about herpes on Elephants Encyclopedia - facts and information about elephants since 1995
EEHV - Elephant endotheliotropic herpes virus
The article contradicts itself, because in the beginning, it says the virus may spread from healthy african elephants to vulnerable asian elephants. But the newest genetic findings almost prove that the herpes virus naturally exists in asian elephants, with many different strains. And that the different strains identified in the US do NOT come from one source, but many different sources.
Vetandy provided a very interesting theory about the high mortality in some zoos in the thread about the Whipsnade death. I`ll see if I can find it.