Yorkshire Wildlife Park Lion Rescue (Yorkshire Wildlife Park)

LemurMan said:
So YWP should just have left these poor animals to be shot should they?
While, I resect everyones opinion, how can you class Lions in desperate need of rehoming as 'junk animals'? Thats not very conservation friendly is it now?
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But whats the point in keeping Hybrid/Generic zoo Lions that are heavily inbreed and have NO VALUE to any Conservation Program!The only one I can see is them saying look how good we are we have rescued these Lions from a right **** hole and given them this wonderfull new exhibit.
 
zoogiraffe said:
But whats the point in keeping Hybrid/Generic zoo Lions that are heavily inbreed and have NO VALUE to any Conservation Program!The only one I can see is them saying look how good we are we have rescued these Lions from a right **** hole and given them this wonderfull new exhibit.
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OK so they have no value in any conservaation program... that i agree with. But that is not a reason to shoot them or leave them to die! NO it isn't!

At least at the YWP they will be able to live the rest of their days happily, rather than dying in that ****hole, as you put it.
 
Indeed. I don't think the lives of animals in need should put after logistics? Are we animal lovers or zoo lovers first and foremost? I'm certainly the former.
 
Marwell Dalek said:
Are we animal lovers or zoo lovers first and foremost? I'm certainly the former.
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Thank You! Conservation is a massive part of YWP's ethnics and it is a massive part of thier agenda. But at the end of the day we all love animals and just because these lions won't benefit a Conservation Program anywhere in the world, doesn't mean they should be left for dead.
 
I have to say if this situation was to happen with humans i group of 15 or so Homeless Humans kept in horendous conditions are to be killed how that go down?
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It wouldnt, because they are living people and these are living animals who have the right to live the rest of their lives in comfort i would much rather live in a world who would build an enclosure for a group of non-breeding homeless lions who are in need of help then just killed because they are of 'no conservation value'.
This is not about conservation its about 1 zoo trying to do a good thing by saving a group of individuals, And i will support them all the way.
 
Marwell Dalek said:
Indeed. I don't think the lives of animals in need should put after logistics? Are we animal lovers or zoo lovers first and foremost? I'm certainly the former.
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This is an excellent post. I've noticed myself that many zoo enthusiasts don't seem to be 'animal lovers' in the same way that I would perhaps expect. Now there's nothing wrong with that, everyone is different and we all have our reasons for enjoying zoo visits... but for me personally, I care about animals passionately, and the welfare of individuals is important to me. I'm therefore very impressed when a zoo takes on animals that will be of little benefit to them eg in terms of breeding potential, as is the case with YWP and these lions. I have nothing but admiration for what they're doing and hope it's a massive success.

I also find it pretty horrible to refer to any living creatures as 'junk' - that said, there are arguably a few humans in the world who maybe deserve that label! ;-)
 
I am so glad to read that their are people out there who share the same passion I do about the venture YWP are embarking on. This venture won't benefit YWPs or any other conservation program, but these lions deserve to live their lives in luxury!

Just to keep you updated the current total now stands at £104,115.00.

If this total keeps going up the way it has been doing over the past week, then these lions will be in the UK before Christams for their 6 month quarantine period :D

I will do everything to make sure that this total keeps going up and I support The Yorkshire Wildlife Park in every way!
 
LemurMan said:
OK so they have no value in any conservaation program... that i agree with. But that is not a reason to shoot them or leave them to die! NO it isn't!

At least at the YWP they will be able to live the rest of their days happily, rather than dying in that ****hole, as you put it.
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Well we agree on something they don`t deserve to be shot,but why not spend some money doing up the **** hole that they are in insted of bringing them all the way over here,as from what I`ve heard some of them may not survive the stress of the journey any way is that fair on those animals some how I think not.
 
Also, they got in that state because they couldn't afford to look after them. No doubt that, if YWP was to send money over, things might improve to begin with but they'd end up the way they are now.
 
Ash said:
Also, they got in that state because they couldn't afford to look after them. No doubt that, if YWP was to send money over, things might improve to begin with but they'd end up the way they are now.
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Yeah that is a good point. It would take a lot more than £150,000 to help this zoo out.
 
Still doesn`t alter the fact that some of them will not survive the move or are you just ignoring this fact,because you like the idea of the Yorkshire Wildlife Park becoming to Lions what Monkey World is to primates!!I for one cannot believe that the nearest collection that could offer these Lions a home is YWP,this is the only thing that this place has done since it opened that i do not agree with,if they wanted Lions that badly they could have got some White Lion`s from West Mids!
 
So to move or not to move? I'm sure any which are too far gone will be put down.
Obviously they didn't want lions that badly as they could have got them from UK collections. They wanted to do some outreach and generate publicity for the collection.
No-one complains when a UK zoo spends way more than this on housing generic chimpanzees, or Asiatic elephants.
 
zoogiraffe said:
Still doesn`t alter the fact that some of them will not survive the move or are you just ignoring this fact,because you like the idea of the Yorkshire Wildlife Park becoming to Lions what Monkey World is to primates!!I for one cannot believe that the nearest collection that could offer these Lions a home is YWP,this is the only thing that this place has done since it opened that i do not agree with,if they wanted Lions that badly they could have got some White Lion`s from West Mids!
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The YWP dont want lions that badly and I'm sure they would have got some form a UK Zoo if they had the chance, however this Zoo in Romania contacted YWP directly for help, and that sort of SOS is not something you generally ignore. YWP are not ignoring the fact that some Lions may not survive the journey, but they will do everything to make sure that all the lions are properly cared for on their journey.

Did it ever occure to you that sometimes charity doesn't necessarily start at home?

I also can't help but wonder that if it was another Zoo in the UK that was embarking on this venture, if they would be getting the same scepticism from you? I don't forget that many people on here doubted whether the YWP would survive is first season.
 
johnstoni said:
No-one complains when a UK zoo spends way more than this on housing generic chimpanzees, or Asiatic elephants.
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That was my point in the comment above, alot of people on here seem to be trying to put YWP down with every move they make.

Just because YWP is a fledgling park, doesn't mean that it can't embark on these sort of ventures. So far YWP has done nothing that any other fledgling zoo/wildlife park wouldn't do, except this and I say Good Luck to them for trying to get their park more widely known and trying to save these animals, whether or not they are inbred (If you all really were animals lovers that shouldn't matter) at the same time.
 
LemurMan said:
That was my point in the comment above, alot of people on here seem to be trying to put YWP down with every move they make.
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To be fair, and speaking as a YWP fan, I think this lion rescue is the only thing that anyone on here has really criticised much at all, otherwise people have been pretty positive.
 
LemurMan said:
Did it ever occure to you that sometimes charity doesn't necessarily start at home?

I also can't help but wonder that if it was another Zoo in the UK that was embarking on this venture, if they would be getting the same scepticism from you? I don't forget that many people on here doubted whether the YWP would survive is first season.
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Yes I do realise that some times charity doesn`t start at home,but I also believe that it should have some long term benefit to the species involved in,which in this move I can see none,apart from a major PR win win for YWP.
As for if any other zoo in the U.K did this my reaction would be the same so its nothing agains`t YWP.Also I have never wished the place anything but all the best as the area is a major zoo Desert in the U.K so the fact that they are doing so well is great,and finally as somebody that has meet and spoken to the owners they are doing a great job,as a result of this I passed on info to them which could result in another species arriving at the Park next year!:D
 
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