Zion Wildlife Gardens Craig Busch and Zion Wildlife Gardens

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you are a bogan if........

you say "me" instead on "my"

you say "oshrauwya" instead of "australia"

you read the herald sun or daily telegraph newspapers

you are obsessed with breeding reptiles and growing/dealing hydroponic weed

you take pornographic photos of your "missus" for picture magazine's homegirl section

you know the lyrics to cold chisels kay san (and shout them at teh top of your lungs at the pub)

you like your houses made with cream bricks, with brown glazed tile roofs and conifers in the garden.

you live in queensland

you, or any of your children have alternative name spellings. examples:

caitlin - kaytlyn
braiden - bradyn
jarrod - jaryd

(actually just make that you like using "y" as a substitute vowel)

you honeymoon in bali (where you abuse the locals for not speaking english as good as you)


.... this could go on all day.
 
Stay where you are madbush farm - too many Ngapuhi in those hills around you!

It's that phoenix bloke who needs to wash his mouth out with soap and water! lol
 
Craig Busch

Just reading these posts I can see that the Craig Busch debate is still ongoing.
At the end of the day no matter what each and everyones opinion is about him he is still a relatively young man whom I don't think will ever give up working with big cats in the future, nor should he.
The hands off restriction now in place in New Zealand means that we may not see him closely interacting with his cats , but there is still a wide scope of things open to him in the future
The majority of the public , I think do support him , and will continue to do so
People are fascinated with big cats, Lion Whisperers , Lionman , call them whatever you want , they find this compelling viewing.
I for one will be very interested to see what future plans he has working with big cats it's such a pity that these have been put are temporarily on hold.
He just might surprise you all !
 
The future

I do not think that the majority of people support him. Frankly just those poor souls without the ability to think about the facts presented.

If the past is anything to go on I see a future for Craig with possible jail time involved. He has been convicted before.
 
ptig said:
I do not think that the majority of people support him. Frankly just those poor souls without the ability to think about the facts presented.

If the past is anything to go on I see a future for Craig with possible jail time involved. He has been convicted before.
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Please let me assure you that I have read and digested all of the facts and have done hours and hours of research about this, so if you feel that I am am one of these poor souls without an ability to think , you are , very, very wrong.
I have made an informed choice to support Craig Busch and hope that he will reunited with his cats as soon as possible
If he isn't I am 100% sure that he will persue his career working with big cats , like it or not.
Also your above comment about jail time was very uncalled for, but so very typical, as Craig Busch to my knowlege does not have any criminal proceedings pending. I am sure that you would have enlightened us if he had
No wonder so many people fail to take the people that are so against him seriously.
 
redpanda said:
A rare talent, or a large set of pinchers? I'm afraid I cannot be bothered to argue with people whose main point seems to be "you have no proof", however saying that Craig Busch has a rare talent is absolute rubbish. Anyone can go in with a declawed, hand-reared tiger (as demonstrated by the fact tourists were allowed into the cages for pictures); the animals at Zion were turned into nothing more than big pussy-cats used to enlarge his ego

So, before you consider replying again, perhaps try practising what you preach and finding a little "proof" yourself because, as madbushfan has just so amply demonstrated, it is actually your own allegations which are the ones with no grounding in reality.
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Well I wouldn't like to try it would you ?
Declawed , hand reared tigers can still kill , they do have teeth you know! a testament to what sadly happened with the keeper at Zion Wildlife Gardens in May and I would like to add while Craig Busch was not in control of the park.
 
blackpanther said:
I personally don't see the problem with the local community helping out the park, in England as you will know ratcatcher as you live there, zoo's and parks are happy to recieve help from whereever they can get it, for example monkey world in dorset, they accept donations of toys and blankets and things for the primates there, and also the primate adoptions. Maybe your forgetting ratcatcher that patricia busch came to zion to dig it out of the ginormous hole it was in, that would take a while i understand, who knows what may have happened if she hadn't helped him out
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I think it is an excellent idea that the local community are helping out the park.The costs to ensure the welfare and needs of the cats must be huge !
When this was announced I did have some reservations though , can the local businesses continue to do this long term ? The local economy must partly depend on the visitors and tourists that go to Zion Wildlife Gardens
Many go there due to Lionman televsion series hoping to see Craig Busch and the cats . When everyone becomes aware that he is no longer there visitor levels will drop without a doubt , it then becomes an everyday wildlife park and may loose its appeal
This is what worries me greatly about the future of these cats , is this help subtainable long term ?
 
crazy-cat said:
Please let me assure you that I have read and digested all of the facts and have done hours and hours of research about this, so if you feel that I am am one of these poor souls without an ability to think , you are , very, very wrong.
I have made an informed choice to support Craig Busch and hope that he will reunited with his cats as soon as possible
If he isn't I am 100% sure that he will persue his career working with big cats , like it or not.
Also your above comment about jail time was very uncalled for, but so very typical, as Craig Busch to my knowlege does not have any criminal proceedings pending. I am sure that you would have enlightened us if he had
No wonder so many people fail to take the people that are so against him seriously.
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Dear Crazy-cat,

it saddens me to learn that you have done your hours and hours of research and can still conclude that:

(a) Declawing is acceptable so that you can play with hand reared cats to camera.
(b) The breeding of big cat hybrids for which no official breeding programmes exist is acceptable.
(c) That it is ever necessary to go in an enclosure with a big cat other than to 'show off' to other people.

Please, please explain (you have done the research) why this vile and cruel practice is acceptable and why breeding of animals of no value to conservation is acceptable. Explain why it is necessary to go in with these animals (most reputable zoos frown on the practice).
And please name for me any zoos (the zoos please) who are cooperating with Craig in whatever excuse for a breeding programme was being conducted.
Really, I am genuinely interested. Please explain.

Do not point the finger and say that the declawing was done after Craig left because the MAF evidence shows he was there and in charge whilst this took place.

I look forward to your well informed and researched reply.

Best Wishes,

Peter
 
madbushfarm said:
Reading many of your comments you seem to be making an awful lot os unsubstansiated comments and facts about Craig Busch
Does that mean there is one rule for you and not for others?
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In that particular comment members of this board were being accused of taking drugs. I don't quite know what you are trying to get at by referring in particular to my posts and stating what I have written is unsubstantiated. - yes it is. The person I was addressing at the time was offensive and out of order in their remarks. Have I accused Craig Busch of killing cubs and taking drugs? No - because there is no proof. Yes I have the declawing report which I obtained from MAF then made public. I have the ERA report. I go on facts and not heresay. People are allowed to have their say on this board - does that mean it is also one rule for you and one rule for others. The difference is I can back everything up - those who have come in defence of Mr Busch state things as fact yet they can't back it up. Did he call MAF in? - He may have or he may not have. Your arguements go nowhere. Point out exactly where I am incorrect and I will correct it. Documents? Reports, Links?:confused:[/QUOTE]

As usual you post the same links , the same documents and reports. We have all read them ,I can assure you, but after this sorry mess is over I think that the new ones will make a much more interesting and fantastic read!
 
What I don't get in all of this is why people are trying to convert us, we have been invaded by supporters and protestors of this man.

Can we all go back to living in peace? And be left alone by the supporters of this man, they are the ones that are causing the trouble, so why don't you go somewhere else to try and persuade more gullible minds to your stupid cause. Because frankly it is not going to wash here, where all I see are sensible minds that will read into a situation before making their case and decide which camp they lay in.
 
taun said:
What I don't get in all of this is why people are trying to convert us, we have been invaded by supporters and protestors of this man.

Can we all go back to living in peace? And be left alone by the supporters of this man, they are the ones that are causing the trouble, so why don't you go somewhere else to try and persuade more gullible minds to your stupid cause. Because frankly it is not going to wash here, where all I see are sensible minds that will read into a situation before making their case and decide which camp they lay in.
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I suppose that is the value of 'Threads' Tuan. If you want to live in peace then ignore any thread related to Craig Busch. I, for one am interested to learn. I want to be persuaded that my views and thoughts are wrong. So far nothing has done. It has only convinced me that the defending 'fans' are either blinkered or brainwashed. They have no supporting evidence whatsoever. I will be very interested to read Crazy-cats well researched reply.

Best Wishes,

Peter
 
Peter Dickinson said:
I suppose that is the value of 'Threads' Tuan. If you want to live in peace then ignore any thread related to Craig Busch. I, for one am interested to learn. I want to be persuaded that my views and thoughts are wrong. So far nothing has done. It has only convinced me that the defending 'fans' are either blinkered or brainwashed. They have no supporting evidence whatsoever. I will be very interested to read Crazy-cats well researched reply.

Best Wishes,

Peter
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I suppose I should retire to a quiet life, and ignore this thread ;)

However before I go (well I'll keep an eye on it) I see there is no point in continuing discussions with CB fans, they will never listen to someone of a sound mind. Just look through this thread and all others they just litter them with personal attacks against anyone who says anything that isn't nice about CB and dismiss evidence gathered by officials.

At least if members of Zoo chat fall out we can usually at least agree to disagree with each other, this will never happen on a thread like this with CB fans.
 
taun said:
I suppose I should retire to a quiet life, and ignore this thread ;)

However before I go (well I'll keep an eye on it) I see there is no point in continuing discussions with CB fans, they will never listen to someone of a sound mind. Just look through this thread and all others they just litter them with personal attacks against anyone who says anything that isn't nice about CB and dismiss evidence gathered by officials.

At least if members of Zoo chat fall out we can usually at least agree to disagree with each other, this will never happen on a thread like this with CB fans.
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You may well be right but if we can persuade just one that they are in error then perhaps others will follow.

Best Wishes,

Peter
 
crazy-cat said:
Well I wouldn't like to try it would you ?
Declawed , hand reared tigers can still kill , they do have teeth you know! a testament to what sadly happened with the keeper at Zion Wildlife Gardens in May and I would like to add while Craig Busch was not in control of the park.
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I would very happily go in with a hand-reared and de-clawed tiger and, as I said (and you, surprisingly, ignored), hundreds of tourists did go in with Craig's pussy-cats. As has already been pointed out here (and you have again - rather conveniently - ignored), it is not hard to train a cat not to bite with just a simple command.

Yes two keepers were killed, but out of the number of people that had gone in with them, and the number of times, twice (only one fatal) does not make it a frequent occurence. And yes, I do blame Craig Busch - as you and all your misinformed (to put it lightly) pals are so often saying, he started the park and decided on a policy which, no matter how well managed, has always ended in tragedy.
 
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