Australia Zoo Breeding Sumatran Tigers

For everyone's information, female tigers are usually mated in their fourth year. They will usually be three to four years at this time. Eg. a tiger born in December 2007 will be bred in 2011 anytime form January. Depending on accomadation, some are transferred at the age of 2.

No more fighting, I'm sure us children can share the toys in the sandpit :D
 
If only someone had bothered to put the date month and year all down in one it might now have come to this.

I just rest my case here and bow out.
 
someone earlier on pointed out that Australia Zoo has 6 "pure" Sumatrans......correct me if i am wrong, but animals breed out of recommendation are still part of the program and can (and do) receive future recommendations???
 
Turkana said:
someone earlier on pointed out that Australia Zoo has 6 "pure" Sumatrans......correct me if i am wrong, but animals breed out of recommendation are still part of the program and can (and do) receive future recommendations???
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Absolutely! Juma, Ranu and Singha are a valued part of the program. This is just a guess but I can see Singha being paired with Bajii, Maneki being paired with either Juma or Ranu and Kaitlyn being sent out to anotehr zoo. Don't hold me to this as it is just a guess.
 
i may be wrong..... but i think Australia Zoo (bought) got some bengel hybrids from bullens in sydney as well? or maybe they were on loan...?
 
Danale said:
i may be wrong..... but i think Australia Zoo (bought) got some bengel hybrids from bullens in sydney as well? or maybe they were on loan...?
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I believe atleast one of these is now at Cairns or another facility as Australia Zoo makes room for Sumatrans.

I believe the bloodlines of three of Australia Zoos Sumatrans (mogo 2004) are very well represented in our region. I believe it more suitable to breed with tigers whose lines aren't so prevelant.
 
You're right, the three born in 2004 are well represented in our region but they are the only sumatrans Australia Zoo has. It would be unresonable to make Austrlia Zoo give up all three of these cubs and sned them off but I'm sure at least one will be sent to another zoo.
 
Connor91 said:
You're right, the three born in 2004 are well represented in our region but they are the only sumatrans Australia Zoo has. It would be unresonable to make Austrlia Zoo give up all three of these cubs and sned them off but I'm sure at least one will be sent to another zoo.
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Connor91, I'm not sure your post makes sense. lol. Australia Zoo has 6 Sumatran Tigers. It is not unreasonable to make themn send sumatrans elsewhere it is beneficial to the species. It is just expected that Australia zoo follows the program. I am sure if asked they will send a tiger elsewhere, but they will also most likely recieve one to breed witrh one of the remaining Sumatrans.

However what Australia Zoo can recieve will depend on the holding facilities. Are they able to take tigers that can't be handled.
 
This is not a reply to Jarkari or Connor91 but just an observation, but maybe someone should clarify with Australia Zoo what their commitment is to the program, (ie..number of spaces / enclosures they have, can they house non-contact animals etc) before people continue with "speculation" .This is the first thread i have followed (being a newcomer to this site) but so many of the comments seemed to be based on speculation, misinformation, rumours and hearsay.

For example "Jay" states that AZ does not follow recommendations and doubts they will in the future (which he hasn't back up in anyway) - which in turn gets Kifaru Bwana's knickers in a twist and the mud starts flying!!

People need to be mind find that this forum is "open to all" on the net, and it is unfair to the individual institutes, and to be honest looks bad on the industry, when comments such as Jay's are unfounded.
 
Turkana said:
This is not a reply to Jarkari or Connor91 but just an observation, but maybe someone should clarify with Australia Zoo what their commitment is to the program, (ie..number of spaces / enclosures they have, can they house non-contact animals etc) before people continue with "speculation" .This is the first thread i have followed (being a newcomer to this site) but so many of the comments seemed to be based on speculation, misinformation, rumours and hearsay.

For example "Jay" states that AZ does not follow recommendations and doubts they will in the future (which he hasn't back up in anyway) - which in turn gets Kifaru Bwana's knickers in a twist and the mud starts flying!!

People need to be mind find that this forum is "open to all" on the net, and it is unfair to the individual institutes, and to be honest looks bad on the industry, when comments such as Jay's are unfounded.
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I agree wholehartedly with this statement and it's refreshing coming from a newcomer to the site. Unfortunately, "speculation, misinformation, rumours and hearsay" are rife on ZooChat. But then again, we have to remember that is prediominantly made up of people who do not work in zoos, and who are voicing their own thoughts and ideas.
 
Turkana said:
This is not a reply to Jarkari or Connor91 but just an observation, but maybe someone should clarify with Australia Zoo what their commitment is to the program, (ie..number of spaces / enclosures they have, can they house non-contact animals etc) before people continue with "speculation" .This is the first thread i have followed (being a newcomer to this site) but so many of the comments seemed to be based on speculation, misinformation, rumours and hearsay.

For example "Jay" states that AZ does not follow recommendations and doubts they will in the future (which he hasn't back up in anyway) - which in turn gets Kifaru Bwana's knickers in a twist and the mud starts flying!!

People need to be mind find that this forum is "open to all" on the net, and it is unfair to the individual institutes, and to be honest looks bad on the industry, when comments such as Jay's are unfounded.
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I have been refraining from commenting on this site for a while, and will continue to do so, but I couldn't let this one rest as it is aimed at me specifically. I this is my opinion and from my observations from outsid ethe zoo world I think it is based on what I have seen. I should have backed it up but thought taht what I was commenting on was well known.
1. Three sumatran cubs born at Mogo zoo, outside recommendations, so that Australia zoo could have have their own cute and cuddlys to handraise before other instutions which I have heard were before them n a "queue" for sumatran tigers. That may not be true of course. But what is true is that the cubs weren't recommended to be bred.
2. Three sumatran tigers brought ito the country from Indonesia, the first exported from that country in a long time and done in a way that screamed "personality cult', especially as many other zoos around the world had been trying to obtain captive bred tigers from Indonesia long before and failed.
3. And then just the way Australia Zoo has operated in the past has me wondering how well they would work if something called for against their interests, if for example reccommendatiosn called for the three sumatran cubs to be sent to other zoos. Australia zoo has a personality cult which was very effective in getting the zoo it's own way, for instance obtaining land, grants from Govts, threats from the owners to relocate when a local council refused permission for something.
 
Turkana said:
This is not a reply to Jarkari or Connor91 but just an observation, but maybe someone should clarify with Australia Zoo what their commitment is to the program, (ie..number of spaces / enclosures they have, can they house non-contact animals etc) before people continue with "speculation" .This is the first thread i have followed (being a newcomer to this site) but so many of the comments seemed to be based on speculation, misinformation, rumours and hearsay.

For example "Jay" states that AZ does not follow recommendations and doubts they will in the future (which he hasn't back up in anyway) - which in turn gets Kifaru Bwana's knickers in a twist and the mud starts flying!!

People need to be mind find that this forum is "open to all" on the net, and it is unfair to the individual institutes, and to be honest looks bad on the industry, when comments such as Jay's are unfounded.
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That is why I use the word "believe" alot. I don't know for fact but given past actions they are my thoughts and beliefs. ZooPro and Turkana (not attacking you), this is an outlet for people to share their opinions and thoughts. it may not always be correct but I think most people on the forum understand these are not professional opionions.

Just a note about Australia Zoo: They are hopeless at replying to emails and returning phone calls unless it relates to what I call the "sideshow" aspect of Australia Zoo. Over the years, both in personal and business enquiries, I have contacted the Zoo a number of times and only recieved one reply ehich didn't actually answer my question but went one about the great conservation work the zoo is doing in Australia.

I would like to make a note that I am not attacking Steve, Terri or Bindi and don't doubt their passion for conservation but I honestly don't feel the PR Team there appreciates a higher level of interest.
 
hi i was looking at the dream world site and it dosnt list soroya as being there and it says somtning along the lines that she has been moved for breeding . anyone no where she has gone .
thanks in advance
 
Turkana said:
This is not a reply to Jarkari or Connor91 but just an observation, but maybe someone should clarify with Australia Zoo what their commitment is to the program, (ie..number of spaces / enclosures they have, can they house non-contact animals etc) before people continue with "speculation" .This is the first thread i have followed (being a newcomer to this site) but so many of the comments seemed to be based on speculation, misinformation, rumours and hearsay.
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similar story recently on the NZ forum, where there is another thread on Sumatran tigers which is composed mostly of the same speculation, misinformation, etc, masquerading as "facts". It does get very annoying.
 
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