Taronga Zoo Taronga Gorilla Boys to Orana 2013
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On 7 news they said that they will be getting a silverback from overseas, so maybe they could also import more of other species at the same time?
I don't think anyone knows for sure just how long Silverbacked males in the wild stay as group leaders, or even if they really do get 'ousted' by rival males at some stage along the way. I guess it varies from group to group, though I think Taronga putting out that 'males are replaced in the wild as they get older' is trying to sweeten the pill by putting a positive spin on what could otherwise be an emotive issue-removing a male from his established family group.
However, this is really the only way Australia can add new blood to their two groups.
However, this is really the only way Australia can add new blood to their two groups.
Probably an entirely unrelated male from abroad? Although Motaba's son Ganyeka(?) is from a very unrepresented line on his mother's (G.Anne) side- she was born in USA and has very few relatives. However Motaba's line is more represented.
Very good point. They will want a gap with no small babies at that stage.
There is still one of his daughters(Kimya aged 5) in the group, possibly they want to keep her so may contracept her if she nears maturity while her father is still in the group. Maybe the three old girls he came with will be/ are contracepted again now to prevent any fresh births at the changeover time.?
His other daughter M'Beli is now at Melbourne. Though if Rigo doesn't breed with her at Melbourne I could foresee some more rearrangements between the two groups in the future after Taronga get their new male.
Its a pity Kibabu will have to leave his group
but its also a rational decision I think.
There is still one of his daughters(Kimya aged 5) in the group, possibly they want to keep her so may contracept her if she nears maturity while her father is still in the group. Maybe the three old girls he came with will be/ are contracepted again now to prevent any fresh births at the changeover time.?
His other daughter M'Beli is now at Melbourne. Though if Rigo doesn't breed with her at Melbourne I could foresee some more rearrangements between the two groups in the future after Taronga get their new male.
Its a pity Kibabu will have to leave his group
but its also a rational decision I think.
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Yeah, I think they are trying to source a male from overseas. Do you think it would be possible if Rigo moved to Taronga and then the new male move to Melbourne?
I was thinking maybe new females might make him interested in breeding.
It will be sad to see Kibabu gone as he is a great father/silverback and an impressive looking male, but now New Zealand get the chance to admire him
Total waste of time. He's had plenty of chance with 'new ' females already. Rigo is a lost cause in my opinion (unless someone knows better!
)I guess Melbourne will probably just carry on with him for the foreseeable future and have no breeding. They might try AI from him too but that is almost a guaranteed failure too.
When a new male arrives at Taronga in three years time they may want their young female back from Melbourne, especially if she hasn't bred there, depending on how both groups stand then.
What will be the future of Mahali? A male. Wiil he be put in breeding circumstances?
Australia needs more holding institutions. The better should start with with five groups, plus some bachelor groups. Should give a more permanent position for the future.
Australia needs more holding institutions. The better should start with with five groups, plus some bachelor groups. Should give a more permanent position for the future.
animal kid
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And in the wild new female gorillas don't just arrive in groups that often and the silverback would breed with his females for years.
also if aus was to have 5 groups of gorillas where would they go?
also if aus was to have 5 groups of gorillas where would they go?
MARK
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I think you may find both Adelaide zoo & Australia zoo have said they are interested to hold them BUT as to when is the big question
Total waste of time. He's had plenty of chance with 'new ' females already. Rigo is a lost cause in my opinion (unless someone knows better!
I guess Melbourne will probably just carry on with him for the foreseeable future and have no breeding. They might try AI from him too but that is almost a guaranteed failure too.
When a new male arrives at Taronga in three years time they may want their young female back from Melbourne, especially if she hasn't bred there, depending on how both groups stand then.
Yeah. Melbourne might need to import a new male aswell once Rigo dies.
Mahale is an interesting future breeding male, full brother of the Arnheim Bauwi, not related to Bongo, with a wildborn mother. The line Frala Mintha is also not breeding from the male side. So, there could also be breeding possibilities from that side in the far future.
La Vallee des Singes in France has some interesting future breeding males. Kibali should be a good candidate as the new breeding male at Sidney.
La Vallee des Singes in France has some interesting future breeding males. Kibali should be a good candidate as the new breeding male at Sidney.
Obviously I have no idea what Taronga plan for him, but he will only be five in 2013 so could potentially stay in the group for a few years when a new male comes in. Or if that proves unworkable maybe they will move him to either Orana or Werribee (Orana would be easier as the other males would be his relatives)
Its true Oz could do with a couple more breeding Gorilla groups, but unless they bring in/import some more females I don't really see it happening. If they had been allowed to keep the two females Safira/Anguka instead of them having to be returned to Europe, they could have become the nucleus of another new group with e.g. a Melbourne male.