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I think definately No or they wouldn't have gone forward with obtaining another male and allowing him with Effie.

In the ITV series where they were trying to find the cause of Yeboah's illness, the idea of a possible link with Effie was mentioned, because both males died after about the same length of time after mating with her, but I think it was just an odd coincidence. I am sure they investigated the idea though. I have never heard official reports on either male's death, just the causes you mention above, so probably yes in both cases.

But, had that been the case, what would they have done? What zoo would have taken Effiie with that record? I would have been surprised if they had left an all-female group to disintegrate, had there been any chance that she wasn't the cause of the deaths, I'm sure they would have taken that risk.
 
I think definately No or they wouldn't have gone forward with obtaining another male and allowing him with Effie.

In the ITV series where they were trying to find the cause of Yeboah's illness, the idea of a possible link with Effie was mentioned, because both males died after about the same length of time after mating with her, but I think it was just an odd coincidence. I am sure they investigated the idea though. I have never heard official reports on either male's death, just the causes you mention above, so probably yes in both cases.

I sincerely hope that Bobby's and Yeboah's deaths were just coincidence after mating with Effie, have Bobby's and Yeboah's official post mortem results been made public?
 
Things seem to have settled down nicely in Gorilla Kingdom now; all four gorillas are together and visitors are walking through all day, so they obviously don't need privacy for socialising any longer (the gorillas, not the visitors!).
 
But, had that been the case, what would they have done? What zoo would have taken Effiie with that record? I would have been surprised if they had left an all-female group to disintegrate, had there been any chance that she wasn't the cause of the deaths, I'm sure they would have taken that risk.

If they knew Effie was genuinely the problem, I'm sure they would have had her shipped out somehow, and not risked losing yet a third male to the same cause. The logistics might have been very difficult I agree, and euthanasia totally out of the question- think of the bad publicity! Fortunately it seems to be a hypothetical situation though- (we hope).
 
People, have some faith will ya? Kesho will prove himself and within the year you will have 2-3 baby gorillas to enjoy.

Let us get down to other business now as well, like how far things are moving for Tiger Forest ..!!? :cool:
 
People, have some faith will ya? Kesho will prove himself and within the year you will have 2-3 baby gorillas to enjoy.

Let us get down to other business now as well, like how far things are moving for Tiger Forest ..!!? :cool:

I have the upmost faith in London Zoo and also a lifetime's respect for the society, I also share your wish that Keisho proves to be a good father in the future. The fact, however, cannot be denied that two adult male gorillas have died here in recent times as well as the unfortunate incident resulting in the death of Tiny. Perhaps I am being over cautious here but that is the policy I have with my own animals, if they sneeze get them to the vet, prevention is after all better than cure. Yes let us have the great pleasure of looking forward to the future of this marvellous place with optimism, tomorrow the official opening of penguin beach and hopefully in the near future the new tiger exhibit and all that happens to London Zoo in the future.
 
London Zoo developments #2

A pair of brolga cranes are in the fenced-off area on the left-hand side of the Mappins, the cause of much curiosity from one of the emus who keeps peering over the fence.

Alaotra gentle lemur now in the 'show animal' cages.

Two chicks in the penguin beach nursery enclosure.
 
And there are now four camels in the Casson – they have finished moulting and look groomed and splendid. One is quite young and noticeably smaller. I believe three of them are called Clarissa, Henry and Genghis. This year's batch of squirrel monkey babies (five I think) are beginning to venture off their mothers' backs and try out a few acrobatics on the ropes and branches.... very entertaining to watch.
 
A pair of brolga cranes are in the fenced-off area on the left-hand side of the Mappins, the cause of much curiosity from one of the emus who keeps peering over the fence.

I take it these are the mature, Whipsnade pair that bred at Whipsnade in the 90s, or a pair formed with one or more Whipsnade-hatched birds? ISIS List these as the only ones in Europe, though I suspect Walsrode still has them.

Do you think they are likely to breed on the Mappins? What was the Whipsnade enclosure like? Were they fully flighted there when they bred?
 
A pair of brolga cranes are in the fenced-off area on the left-hand side of the Mappins, the cause of much curiosity from one of the emus who keeps peering over the fence.

This is very exciting news - the only ones of their kind on show in the UK (and at last something interesting on the Australian incarnation of the Mappins!).


ISIS List these as the only ones in Europe, though I suspect Walsrode still has them.

They're certainly still listed on Zootierliste, and they had three pairs a couple of years ago, so I'd be surprised if they'd gone.
 
brolga cranes

They've been since since March... sorry, I didn't know they were exciting, or I'd have said! Here's a photo I took back then (if I manage to upload it that is).
 

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They've been since since March... sorry, I didn't know they were exciting, or I'd have said!

I didn't realise they were such a rarity either and I have learned my lesson to pay more attention to all parts of the zoo as I haven't been along there for months!
 
a few impressions.

as I haven't been along there for months!

I visited ZSL this week, here's a few comments;

1. The Australian area(ex Mappins) seems to be a real backwater. Many visitors probably don't even go there. Those that do stay a very short time only, as did I (yes, I saw the Brolgas).

2. Penguin Beach. Very good exhibit. Bigger even than I expected. But they could have some problems with leaf fall from the big overhanging Plane trees during the autumn. I couldn't find the single Rockhopper Penguin. Is it still there?

3. Clore/Rainforest World House. A number of enclosures/passageways of the old Clore as it used to be seem to be closed off from public view nowadays, and the whole house seems rather a shadow of its former self as far as species variety is concerned.. Downstairs in the Moonlight World, some of the signage on the exhibits was very difficult to read. Nothing for the Bat Cave?

4. Cotton Terraces. Increasingly I think its wrong seeing Zebras(and other grazing animals like Black Wildebeest!) kept under conditions where they cannot graze.
Red River Hogs seem to have disappeared from ZSL now.
Hunting Dogs -still one of their best Mammal exhibits IMO.

5. Cat Terraces. I estimate the moat of the Lion Enclosure occupies a bigger area than the land area for the Lions.
The monkeys here seem totally out of place. I'd rather see them moved out of the zoo except maybe the Francois Langurs, which should be given a higher profile exhibit.

6. Gorilla Kingdom. b/w Colobus are breeding well, now number about 9. Obviously plans for them to use Gorilla island have been dropped as the overhead passageway has been dismantled. The White-naped Mangabey group do make a good showing.
Gorillas- now seem to have free choice access(or is it weather dependant?) Consequently they chose to be indoors nearly all the time. Oldest female Zaire is still not fully integrated with male 'Kesho'.
Three(+ one seperate) inactive adults isn't a very interesting group to watch, but most people are just impressed by the size of the male anyway.

7. Aquarium-my first visit in here for many years. The arrangement of tanks by natural habitats is a big improvement I think. It is truly a vast collection of fish.

8. Blackburn Pavilion/Bird House. Diverse collection of birds. I think the walkthrough free-flight area in particular makes an interesting display. I hadn't realised the Socorro Dove of Mexico has been extinct in the wild since 1972 (it appears arguable if its a true species- or just a subspecies of the Mourning Dove). There are three Hummingbirds(Amazilla amazilla) where before there was just one.

9.Owls on North Bank- young Owls in nearly every aviary.
 
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I think they are fair observations, I strongly agree with you regarding the zebras. Interestingly last Sunday there was lots of activity with the gorillas but this was mainly due to Kesho's agitation at the heavy rain downpours which caused an enormous amount of noise on the roof. Once the sun came out I saw him round around outside for a brief moment before settling under a tree.

Red river hogs left the collection some time ago, not sure exactly when.
 
Interestingly last Sunday there was lots of activity with the gorillas

Red river hogs left the collection some time ago, not sure exactly when.

When I arrived at 10 a.m. Kesho was very playful, chasing around the inside area with Effie and with Mjuku sometimes joining in. They went outside a few times too. An hour later they were much quieter and resting, and seemed like that when I went back at intervals during the rest of the day. Zoo Gorillas always seem at their most active in the early morning...

Do you know where the RR Hogs went to. Whipsnade?
 
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I think the red river hogs bred only once, 0.2 (99% sure), and it was these that went to Whipsnade. Didn't they then go on to Jersey?

As for the adult pair, I'm not sure where they ended up. After the Sumatran tiger Sarah went back to Dudley, the off-shoot lion enclosure held the red river hogs briefly (I assume because their Cotton Terraces enclosure was becoming an extension for the wild dogs), before they left the zoo altogether. I'm wondering if they would have remained in the Lion Terraces for much longer had the lions not bred.
 
I think the red river hogs bred only once, 0.2 (99% sure), and it was these that went to Whipsnade. Didn't they then go on to Jersey?

The first litter was 0.2 as you say, and went to Whipsnade. Presumably these are the two that went to Jersey more recently.

But I seem to remember more recently seeing their parents at London with another offspring(or two) when they were still living in the section of paddock now part of the Hunting Dogs' enclosure.
 
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