Chester Zoo Rethinking RotRA

gentle lemur

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I have been reflecting on my visit to Chester two days ago. I think that when the new entrance is completed and spring has arrived, with fresh greenery and migrant dinosaurs, the Zoo will look well. The giant otter indoor housing is good. The bat house looks better and the jag house has been improved considerably, although I wish they would do some gardening in the waterfall enclosure. The tropical house is showing its age, of course, but the small changes over the winter should help.
But the Realm of the Red Ape is a different story. The first enclosure viewed from the entrance is in a terrible condition - the Borneans have totally destroyed the planting so there are just weeds and a few dead uprooted bushes on view. It could be replanted of course, but if the females and infants are to have outdoor access they must use this enclosure, so how could new plants establish themselves? The planting in the matching enclosure, viewed from the exit, is in much better condition - I presume it has been allowed to recuperate since the orangs used it in the summer.
Likewise all the planting in the Sumatran indoor exhibits has long since died, which may not matter so much as the outdoor exhibits are in pretty good condition, considering the time of year, although the enclosures are not attractive. The current problem is the two broken windows that mean that only one of the indoor enclosures is serviceable. I understand that replacing the windows is a major task, but I hope it can be completed soon.
This means that a building that was once one of the Zoo's crown jewels is now rather an eyesore. What sort of future does RotRA have?
Orang utans are obvious candidates for the Islands theme and I hope that the Zoo will continue to keep both species because they are doing so well. Do they plan to build a new exhibit or can both species stay in RotRA? Will the house need modifications? Could they switch the Borneans around to allow the females and infants access to the old island opposite the chimps and lemurs - and cut some viewing windows in the fence around it? Could they modify an enclosure to let Tuan (the Bornean male) go on show? Can they refurbish the indoor enclosures to make them a little more attractive - and perhaps to make it harder for the Sumatrans to get so close to the windows? That would improve visitor flow and might reduce breakages, although some visitors would miss the close views.
I am sure that the Zoo's team are thinking about questions like these and I hope they have some good answers.

Alan
 
It is a shame, it's a wonderful thing - both Borneans and Sumatrans, breeding so successfully, loads of youngsters; it feels very pleasant animal-side and is an excellent, large, flexible space but it does look really grim. Some people on Saturday had come a long way specially to see the orangutans and they'd missed the Borneans (windows steamed up so you could hardly see in and it's not at all obvious that that area is "your only opportunity to see...") and round the other side there were the other two out of use areas.

Re outdoors I'm sure on one of our visits it was said that the Borneans could be given access the otter bit that currently the Sumatrans use, although having watched Sarikei uproot a tree a couple of months ago, better watch out!
 
While I was writing the posting above the latest edition of Z magazine arrived. On Mark Pilgrim's page, he includes Sumatran orangs in the list of species for the Islands development and specifies the islands of the Philippines, Papua New Guinea (which is only half an island ;)), Bali, Sumatra, Sumba and Sulawesi. Borneo is not mentioned :confused:
The only species new to the Zoo that are mentioned are banteng and saltwater crocodile, plus the vague term lorikeet.
I have been searching for interesting species from Sumba, without significant result.
I do hope that the Borneam orang utans will stay at Chester.

Alan
 
A short reply for the moment, but the Sumatrans are confirmed as being rehoused in the Islands development.
 
Could you provide a list of species for this keenly anticipated exhibit, maybe on a different thread.
 
gentle lemur said:
I have been searching for interesting species from Sumba, without significant result.
the obvious one for Sumba would be the critically-endangered citron-crested cockatoo, and there are several other endemic parrot subspecies on the island also which are all endangered. There's also the critically-endangered Sumba hornbill but that would be highly unlikely to be a species Chester would get.

(I'm speaking hypothetically of course, not from any stand-point of knowledge of what Chester is planning or announced)
 
A short reply for the moment, but the Sumatrans are confirmed as being rehoused in the Islands development.

Aha! Thank you SMR. RotRA will need rethinking.

kiang said:
Could you provide a list of species for this keenly anticipated exhibit, maybe on a different thread.

Yes, that's an excellent idea. Can you move Chlidonias' post to the new thread, please.

Alan
 
A short reply for the moment, but the Sumatrans are confirmed as being rehoused in the Islands development.

Was there some doubt? I thought they'd announced that last year.

I REALLY hope the Borneans stay. I don't know whether it'd be a good thing for them to be exhibited separately or not. Borneo IS AN ISLAND!!!!
 
What are the plans for the "Islands development"? Where will this be located? And why the heck are they planning to move the sumatran orang utans out of their newly built, spacious, well-adapted enclosure? RoRa may not look nice that the moment, but it is very well-suited for an orang utan`s needs - lots of climbing possibilities, lots of indoor space, good possibilities to keep subgroups seperated. What will happen with all the free space there if the sumatrans leave?
 
I haven't the faintest idea what Chester will do, but if you've had the dubious privilege of seeing Dudley's orang facility, you'll know that their Borneans are in dire need of a new home.

Whatever issues RoRA may have pale into insignificance beside Dudley's house - or Twycross's...
 
Was there some doubt? I thought they'd announced that last year.

I REALLY hope the Borneans stay. I don't know whether it'd be a good thing for them to be exhibited separately or not. Borneo IS AN ISLAND!!!!
The zoo has not annouced that they would stay,it was implied on one of the walk and talks that they would.

Yes Borneo is an Island but not one that Chester is building a zone for
 
Could you provide a list of species for this keenly anticipated exhibit, maybe on a different thread.

From Z magazine

Anoa
Babirusa
Bali Starling
Cassowary
Indonesian Rhinoceros Hornbill
Indonesian Wrinkeld Hornbill
Lorikeet
Sumatran Orang Utan
Saltwater Crocodile
Sulawesi Macaque
Sumatran Tiger
Visayan Warty Pig
 
What are the plans for the "Islands development"? Where will this be located? And why the heck are they planning to move the sumatran orang utans out of their newly built, spacious, well-adapted enclosure? RoRa may not look nice that the moment, but it is very well-suited for an orang utan`s needs - lots of climbing possibilities, lots of indoor space, good possibilities to keep subgroups seperated. What will happen with all the free space there if the sumatrans leave?

See mmy post in the Islands development thread.
 
My plan for RotRA would be quite ambitious, so I'll try to keep this brief as possible.

Firstly, move the Borneans into the RotRA building itself, which would free up the old orang house. Instead of demolishing it, I'd re-open the south-westerly island and use it for a small primate (akin to how the capuchins are exhibited at the back of the Tropical Realm) and then add a second entrance to RotRA up the ramp and through the old building. It could be renovated internally and turned into a walk-through forest, perhaps with smaller primates such as slow lories and tarsiers, and of course some free-flying birds.

With so few Bornean orangs in such a large building, they could implement some sort of crop rotation in a hope of sustaining lasting planting, and fill the orang-free exhibits with more gibbons or something less destructive.

I'd also suggest something a little controversial, the removal of all the aviaries and vivarium from the walkway, which would make the space considerably larger and far easier to navigate. The species would have to go somewhere, particularly the reptiles, so I'd move them all into Islands in Danger and turn it into primarily a reptile, amphibian and invertebrate house. The bird exhibits in there don't really work, especially now that the birds of paradise have left the collection.

Back over at RotRA, the final step would be to open up a viewing area in the back, outdoor enclosure, between its current perimeter and the vet centre, which is essentially an area of waste ground. There's actually enough space between the outdoor areas and Cedar House to allow visitors to circumnavigate the entire exhibit.
 
Sorry, I have to ask this, how long has ROTRA been open? I can't remember the date, but i'm sure it was less than 10 years! I thought it was one of the most expensive exhibits built in the UK & one of Chesters flagships, so why was it built at great expense only for the inhabitants to be moved to another expensive new exhibit only a few years later? If the Borneans dont stay, what next?

Personally as a visitor experience I have found it pretty disappointing,but appreciate I may have just been unlucky with my timing and the breeding record is excellent so must be good from the apes point of view. I have nothing against Chester, and think several of their newer exhibits built (I would guess ) at far less cost are very good e.g Spectacled Bears, Cheetah and Giant Otter.
 
Sorry, I have to ask this, how long has ROTRA been open? I can't remember the date, but i'm sure it was less than 10 years! I thought it was one of the most expensive exhibits built in the UK & one of Chesters flagships, so why was it built at great expense only for the inhabitants to be moved to another expensive new exhibit only a few years later? If the Borneans dont stay, what next?

Personally as a visitor experience I have found it pretty disappointing,but appreciate I may have just been unlucky with my timing and the breeding record is excellent so must be good from the apes point of view. I have nothing against Chester, and think several of their newer exhibits built (I would guess ) at far less cost are very good e.g Spectacled Bears, Cheetah and Giant Otter.

I believe that ROtRA has been open since 2007.
 
Much as I love Orangutans, and particularly Sumatran ones, it has to be admitted they're one of the most destructive species to keep in Zoos. That's why the interior of even a modern exhibit like RoTRA is already looking like its seen better days.

When I saw it, I could not understand the different layout/styles of housing for the two species; Sumatrans and Borneans,:confused: the Sumatran enclosures look far superior to me.

I think if in future they relocate the Sumatrans to the planned Islands area they will obviously still have to build a similar style of expensive and reinforced indoor housing and again they will proceed to try and wreck it from Day 1. I don't think there's any real solution for that, its just what they do.
 
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the breeding record is excellent so must be good from the apes point of view.

Chester's Orangutans, of both species, bred very freely in their old building too. I think the design/move into RoTRA is unconnected with their continued breeding success.
 
Chester's Orangutans, of both species, bred very freely in their old building too. I think the design/move into RoTRA is unconnected with their continued breeding success.

Thanks, I'm not that aware of Chester's breeding history for Orangutans or most other species for that matter. I guess although the breeding success doesn't show its a good building, if the breeding had stopped it might have been considered to be a bad one,which it probably isn't from that point of view. It still seems a waste of money if the animals it was specifically built for are to be moved out within 8 years of its completion.
 
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