Cryptozoology

Anaheim Zoo- jbnbsn99 has made it very clear to me on this thread that he is a huge sceptic and we've already slightly discussed Bigfoot so I want to hear what his/her sceptic mind has to say about it.

BeardsleyZooFan- I'm finally going home today!! It has been six days since I left and we finally goy power back and heading home in an hour or two. Thing is, what will we find in our home:(
 
As there's no such thing as a human "psychic," (at least proven by scientific methods), then chances are there are no "pet psychics." Rather, what they are is nothing more than clever bulls hit artists.

*See the corpus of one James Randi who offers $1,000,000 for anyone who can prove claims of the paranormal.
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jbnbsn99 said:
As there's no such thing as a human "psychic," (at least proven by scientific methods), then chances are there are no "pet psychics." Rather, what they are is nothing more than clever bulls hit artists.

*See the corpus of one James Randi who offers $1,000,000 for anyone who can prove claims of the paranormal.
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I know that they don't exist (I actually laughed when I saw that) I just wanted to know what you guys (and girls) thought of this "Pet Medium" "proving" that Bigfoot is an endangered species that knows we are hunting for it (shout out to Finding Bigfoot, that show on Animal Planet (what the h*ll happened to you guys)) and staying hidden by choice. That last part in itself is not crazy as Cross River Gorillas are known to be doing it, but the whole thing together sound absolutly obsured. Teddy Roosevelt and the Bronx Zoo set up a similar challenge to find a snake of over 31ft. The closest was a Burmese Python of about 28.5ft.

BeardsleyZooFan said:
ThylacineAlive- I know Sandy has you cooped up, but maybe you can go outside and pick up sticks or something! I don't want you turning into this:
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I have finaly made it home. No damage found. The first thing I did was walk around the outside of my house for a while, get the mail, and, you guessed it, picked up a stick. Three actually. And a vine. School starts again for me on mon so I won't have as much free time as I did cooped up in NY so I shouldn't be on as much as I have been. I think I already have like 4 or 5 threads:D:p:eek:
 
Come on guys! Is this or is this not the Cryptozoology thread!! We've had our fun now lets get onto some serius topics!!
So what do you guys think about ghosts?:D:p
 
Hix said:
Kemerovo Siberia? The yeti is native to the mountains of Nepal and Tibet. This would be a range extension of several thousand kms.

I call shenanigans.
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the Russian version of Bigfoot, yeti, etc, is called the almas. One of the more popular theories amongst cryptozoologists is that they are surviving Neanderthals.
 
Yeah, well, I still call shenanigans. On the lot of them. Too much Smirnoff.

:p

Hix
 
Chlidonias said:
the Russian version of Bigfoot, yeti, etc, is called the almas. One of the more popular theories amongst cryptozoologists is that they are surviving Neanderthals.
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The Neanderthals are suppose to be very populous in the Caucasian Mountains. The Yeti is suppose to be a large, Extinct ape whose name escapes me at the moment:o. Begins with a G and, I believe, ends with Pithecus.

Is no one going to tell me their opinions on Ghosts? What, are you scared?:D Do you want me to go first? Personaly, and don't kill me for this jbnbsn:D, I do believe in Ghosts. One of the few paranormal and Cryptozoological stories I believe in. I've had my share of experiences. Some you may see as coincidental and some you may see as complete b.s. but I believe. If you believe in God (which I do) you may see them as an act from him but, in my view, it still proves the existence of the Other Side.
 
ThylacineAlive said:
The Neanderthals are suppose to be very populous in the Caucasian Mountains. Other Side[/I].
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I have to call you on this one TA. I visit the Caucasus ones or twice a year including the mountain range. Although my visits are limited to the south side there are no neanderthals there (although after a good supra you might see some anyway). The mountain ranges there are relatively densly populated and well travelled. To give an example there are more leopard sightings there then neanderthal ones. And of the first there are only 1 or 2 left, imagine how many neanderthals there should be.
 
DDcorvus said:
I have to call you on this one TA. I visit the Caucasus ones or twice a year including the mountain range. Although my visits are limited to the south side there are no neanderthals there (although after a good supra you might see some anyway). The mountain ranges there are relatively densly populated and well travelled. To give an example there are more leopard sightings there then neanderthal ones. And of the first there are only 1 or 2 left, imagine how many neanderthals there should be.
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Well, there used to be sightings there of a Neanderthal type creature. I got this off an American TV show so it's probably false but it was made quite a while ago so I don't know but it said that a military general (forget from which country. I don't think he was Russian. Mabye French) saw a Neanderthal-type creature in the Caucasian Mountains and he had his troops shoot at it. That pretty much was all they said. Again, most likely fake. We've discussed why on this thread earlier. I'm not saying there are Neanderthals there (or any ape creature), I'm just reporting what I heard.

If no ones going to answer what they think about Ghosts, I think I'm going to make a Ghost thread.
 
I used to be very cynical on the matter of the Almas, but recently my opinion has changed somewhat - although I do not believe there is such a thing as an Almas *now*, I would not be surprised one bit if they survived into the past 500 years or so, and are remembered now in folk memory.

The reason for this re-assessment was the 2010 discovery in Siberia of remains of a previously unknown species of human which was still extant 40,000 years ago, related but seperate from both sapiens and neanderthalensis, which has become known as the Denisovan hominin. If somewhere as paleontologically well-investigated as Siberia can hold something like this with no evidence unearthed until this recently, I think it is plausible that the Denisovans survived long enough to be remembered as the Almas - as genetic evidence suggests the Denisovans did interbreed with sapiens in northwest Asia, it is also possible that the Almas was a surviving population of genetically impure Denisovan/sapiens heritage towards the end of it's existence.

Considering there have been stories of human/Almas hybrids for a long time, it would be interesting to compare any remains suggested to be so with Denisovan genetic data.

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denisova_hominin]Denisova hominin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
 
Hix said:
Yeah, well, I still call shenanigans. On the lot of them. Too much Smirnoff.
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the interesting thing with cryptozoologists and man-beasts is that you very rarely hear any of them (at least the vocal ones) saying something like "the yeti has to be real but certainly not Bigfoot" or "Bigfoot absolutely exists because there are just too many sightings, but orang pendek - not a chance". No, instead the majority seem to believe that they all exist, that there are at least half a dozen types of sizeable bipedal apes/primitive hominids roaming the corners of the Earth undiscovered. I could be persuaded to punt on one of the more likely ones at a stretch -- maybe orang pendek (even though there's precious little forest left in Sumatra for them to hide in), or the Ebu Gogo stories as folk-legend of late-surviving Homo floresiensis -- but believing they all exist is just plainly ridiculous. (For the record, I don't believe any of the man-beasts exist).
 
Chlidonias said:
the interesting thing with cryptozoologists and man-beasts is that you very rarely hear any of them (at least the vocal ones) saying something like "the yeti has to be real but certainly not Bigfoot" or "Bigfoot absolutely exists because there are just too many sightings, but orang pendek - not a chance". No, instead the majority seem to believe that they all exist, that there are at least half a dozen types of sizeable bipedal apes/primitive hominids roaming the corners of the Earth undiscovered. I could be persuaded to punt on one of the more likely ones at a stretch -- maybe orang pendek (even though there's precious little forest left in Sumatra for them to hide in), or the Ebu Gogo stories as folk-legend of late-surviving Homo floresiensis -- but believing they all exist is just plainly ridiculous. (For the record, I don't believe any of the man-beasts exist).
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Just in the U.S. alone there are about a dozen Bigfoot species/subspecies (depending on what you believe in). Some off the top of my head:
Skunk Ape
Swamp Beast
Ohio Grassman
Sierra Mounatin Man
Vancouver Island Ape (I think it's Vancouver Island. One Sasquatch is suppose to be able to swam between the mainland and an island. Actually can't be Vancouver Island because the island is suppose to be small with little to no human inhabitants)

Most of these are from only one or two accounts/evidence (in the case of the Sierra Mountain Man) and a lot of them look almost exactly the same and live in the same general area (ex. Skunk Ape in Florida, Georgia, ect. and Swamp Beast in South Carolina) with the exception of the bizzarely discribed Ohio Grassman.

Has anyone heard the story of the white Bigfoot?
 
Chlidonias said:
I could be persuaded to punt on one of the more likely ones at a stretch -- maybe orang pendek (even though there's precious little forest left in Sumatra for them to hide in), or the Ebu Gogo stories as folk-legend of late-surviving Homo floresiensis -- but believing they all exist is just plainly ridiculous. (For the record, I don't believe any of the man-beasts exist).
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I definitely believe orang pendek existed within the past few centuries - possibly either as another late surviving population of Homo floresiensis, or a closely related island dwarf. Not convinced at all they still do, though - it would be a great shame if it transpired a species of human went extinct in the past century or two, but in some ways I'd rather this was the case; if discovered to be alive, I dread to think how they would be treated.
 
ThylacineAlive said:
I do believe in Ghosts....... but, in my view, it still proves the existence of the Other Side.
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I don't believe in ghosts or the Other Side.

I believe in The Far Side.

:p

Hix
 
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