Twycross Zoo Twycross Zoo news 2013 #3
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Sorry if this sounds stupid, but who is Xenon and what do you mean by 'The thick sludge he swam in was awful......'?
zoogiraffe
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Was the male South American Sealion,who was put down so that the Bush Dog and Coati enclosure,could be created so that there wouldn't be an exhibit in the zoo,or an animal species that had health problems due to the poor standard of the exhibit,
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As far as I am concerned, the truth should not hurt anyone, as that is what happened there, every word that our two members have posted is THE TRUTH, so how can that be a crime. I know from what you post on here I can tell you are very fond of the zoo and its animals, so am I, I do think though that at times you are very naïve, please don't be offended by this, I can also tell that you are a caring, decent person, and that you would never even think of doing some of the things that have taken place at this zoo, and you wouldn't therefore think that anybody else would neither, Justin did die as described by Integrity, I know this as a fact, the water in that sea lion pool was disgusting on my last visit in October 2011, I would like to know the causes of death of Mkundi and Becky the chimps, neither of which could have old age, as Gerald Durrell once said "somebody has to stick up for the animals as they cannot write letters to the Times or go to see their M.P."
mazfc
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As I said I can't dispute what has or hasn't happened as I don't know. I'm not offended by your post at all. I do love twycross but I know it's far from perfect. Hopefully with the recent changes its going in the right direction - it certainly feels it, going by the atmosphere there.
My concern was for the poster as it sails very near the edge.
My concern was for the poster as it sails very near the edge.
I'd also be concerned for Zoochat, as someone who runs a couple of web forums.
Yes, and I sincerely hope Twycross is heading in the right direction now, from what I have seen happen this year with its numerous, minor improvements I am cautiously optimistic for its future, it is not very pleasant discussing on here what has happened there in the past but the fact is these things did happen, if we could turn the clock back then things may have been different, but we cannot do that unfortunately.
I think facts about events that occurred in the animal collection in the past are acceptable. References to people involved probably aren't.
IanRRobinson
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Not a nice story. I don't know the truth, but somewhere along the way Twycross has gone horribly wrong over the last quarter-century. As an enthusiast now living about an hour away I desperately hope it's capable of redemption.
Spot on.
Spot on.
Sorry if this is off topic but Molly Badham and Gerald Durrell were good friends. The new standards of welfare of the animals wouldn't have Molly turning in her grave (the vast majority have improved) but these horrible truths of secrecy, euthanasia and sacking of damn good keepers would definitely. It might not be her zoo, but the organization she started deserved better respect from the past director and co gave it!
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in Miss Badhams day the older keeper were respected and not treated like they were thick they were treated with respect and part of the family just because they had no qualifications they new their animals far better than the ones with qualifications who are there now, I agree the people in charge now should respect the ones that are left if there are any left ? in the days of Miss B and Miss E they knew the keepers knew their animals not like today I feel they are just a commodity.
All I can say is Molly is still there she walks her precious zoo keeping an eye on it.
in Miss Badhams day the older keeper were respected and not treated like they were thick they were treated with respect and part of the family just because they had no qualifications they new their animals far better than the ones with qualifications who are there now, I agree the people in charge now should respect the ones that are left if there are any left ? in the days of Miss B and Miss E they knew the keepers knew their animals not like today I feel they are just a commodity.
All I can say is Molly is still there she walks her precious zoo keeping an eye on it.
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mazfc
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mazfc
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I wouldn't want the zoo to go back to how it was husbandry and enclosure wise I'd hate to see 'my' precious chimps back in their old enclosures.
If you mean that feeling of family, then yes that would be good.
On the theme park side, I don't think it's any worse (and possibly better) with its balance of non-animal things than any other collection.
There needs to be commercial success and forward thinking management, fingers crossed its here now.
I completely agree with you Mazfc, that sense of family should be key to the zoo's success. The animals are better housed than under miss Badham, but the zoo as a whole was better run then! Badham and Evans were very good at running a fairly successful zoo, even if the breeding and groupings were sometimes rubbish.
I disagree remember Miss Badham and Miss Evans were the first woman to run a successful zoo on a very small budgets remember their backgrounds. Miss Badham always wanted to integrate the chimps into groups but never got round to it, if it had not have been for the PG Tip Chimps and the adverts Twycross Zoo would not have been there today. Why don't you all read Chimps With Everything and then you will see that they were the first who attempted to re-release chimps in the wild Miss Badham new the chimps better than anyone I mean what happened with Ricky would never have happened because he was not a fighter when I spoke to an older keeper than anyone when I told the person who he had been put in with that person said well that was the wrong ones to be put in with I mean mongo was a full male and when I said Noddy the person said what did they expect ? this person had worked with the chimps probably when you were just walking and they would not trust any of the chimps.
I have a question do any of you know the actual background of the Older chimps ? if you did then you would know why some were kept separate or in small groups.
I have a question do any of you know the actual background of the Older chimps ? if you did then you would know why some were kept separate or in small groups.
zoogiraffe
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Well I am struggling how to see a FACT can be libellous,when the persons involved were not named,but seeing as people don't want to know the truth of whats IS STILL going on at Twycross,I will stop posting it so that people can continue to live in the rose tinted version of the zoo world,that many people on this site seem to want to live!!
mazfc
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It was pretty obvious to everyone who you meant!!!
And as I said I'm not disputing the facts, I'm wondering, as Pertinax said, if this is the place to point the finger at individuals.