Yorkshire Wildlife Park YWP Project Polar

I think people need remember that at the moment the Polar Bear is in Mexico,and if the zoo in Mexico doesn't agree to let her leave then thats where she stays,yes the enclosure she is in is not ideal but I have seen alot worse in Europe,over the years in fact some of the enclosures still have Polar Bears in them now,although be it greatly altered to make them better!
 
I would like to know where zoo management stands as opposed to this Mirror style (anti-)ism feature on the polar bear in Morelia Zoo?

I find it condescending that some of our forumsters fail to understand the nature, the severity and the anti-zoo style of this particular article and to describe Mexican zoos as they do is woofully inadequate and downright inaccurate.

It seems some portion over in Europe seems to equate Mexico with Ciudad Juarez style drug crime, swifty bearded men and corporate party politics / corruption dealings (not looking any further than some Hollywood borne movies ...) as if that is the sole character of Mexico as a State, its people and their traditions.

I find that - apart from the style and nature of the current zoo reporting on Mexico exemplified by the DM article - wholly out of order here on a respected fellow UN / World nation. It is commendable and underlines the good character of our esteemed forumsters from Mexico that they have not taking exception to all of that jazz ...


Now back on topic: I would think and hope that YWP does not deal with DM on this and is in direct contact with management and staff of the Morelia Zoo itself. The DM article and all the anti zoo hell-raising in the UK over the polar bear in Mexico is certainly unhelpful in this endeavour. It would be even more helpful if YWP management publicly distances itself from what the DM and its ilk have poured over on polar bears here.
 
Kifaru Bwana said:
It would be even more helpful if YWP management publicly distances itself from what the DM and its ilk have poured over on polar bears here.
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Is the money that has been raised through the Newspaper publicity, for the Enclosure, to bring over the Mexican Bear, or both with no distinction? If it goes toward building the enclosure, then presumably YWP have some obligation to remain publicly connected with the DM, which appears to be the case if they are naming the enclosure(yuk) after them. If the funds are specifically to 'rescue' the Bear and that, for other reasons, didn't happen, it might be a different situation.
 
Mr. Zoo giraffe is of course correct, the polar bear will not be able to come to Doncaster unless the management at the zoo in Mexico agree to the move. Mr. Robinson is also correct, I have not personally been to the zoo in Mexico where Yupi currently resides but looking at the photos of her current enclosure, although far from being fantastic it is certainly not any worse than what I have seen polar bears live in here in the U.K. until quite recently, in fact Yupi's enclosure, judging by the photos, looks better than what Mercedes languished in for years at the Edinburgh zoo. Just one question, disregarding all the politics surrounding this proposed move, and whatever name will be given to this new facility, would Yupi the polar bear have a better quality of life at the new polar bear enclosure at Doncaster than what she currently has at Mexico.
 
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Over all though it looks a fantastic display area, and better than the cliffs/snow displays we usually associate with captive bears. but i hope they have raised ares so the bears can see out as well.
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Sounds like they will

each featuring landscaped hills, valleys and a main lake with streams, pools and waterfalls
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Any recent news on possible arrival dates or where they are getting a Polar bear from?
I cant wait to see and photograph one of these magnificent animals.I hope the designers have done a great job, like they usually do at Y.W.P. ,and we can great un-interrupted views whilst still giving the bears as natural a habitat as possible.
 
Spoke briefly to a member of staff and they said the aim is for the enclosure to be complete with an occupant, by the summer. I appreciate that's not very specific, but work is continuing on the enclosure - which appears to be huge - even with the more pressing work on the entrance and African village areas.
 
There is not really a great deal of polar bears currently available on the Continent. Also several important animals have recently died …, so there is a waiting list.
 
I spoke to a member of staff regarding the Polar bear enclosure etc and she informed me that they were supposed to be getting a polar bear last Friday,but it didn't happen for an un-known reason.:eek:
One of the 4 enclosures is very near to completion,with 1 more being reasonably close too. She said it looks stunning with a huge lake and a "tundra" look to it.
Fingers crossed they sort whatever issues needed rectifying and a bear arrives soon.:)
 
Interestingly the article says at the end they are still involved with the Mexican bear so that appears not yet a dead end.

There is also another older male in similar straits in an Argentinian(?) Zoo but attempts are being made to relocate him, I think it was to Canada.

Are Male Polar Bears in Europe outnumbering females at present? I presume YWP want females at some stage, not just surplus males?
 
Pertinax said:
Interestingly the article says at the end they are still involved with the Mexican bear so that appears not yet a dead end.

There is also another older male in similar straits in an Argentinian(?) Zoo but attempts are being made to relocate him, I think it was to Canada.

Are Male Polar Bears in Europe outnumbering females at present? I presume YWP want females at some stage, not just surplus males?
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I think this is the case, Highland were trying to source a female for their single male at the time, however she was discovered to be pregnant so that fell through. That's why the other male was transferred into the collection, I believe.
 
Pertinax said:
Are Male Polar Bears in Europe outnumbering females at present? I presume YWP want females at some stage, not just surplus males?
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Correct; I believe there is a waiting list of a few years - it is only in recent months that Highland Wildlife Park have been approved to receive a female, for instance.
 
So without wishing to speculate too much, its likely YWP may get a male or two more before any females.

And a news feed states the Argentinian bear is staying put as they say he is too old to move to Canada, though they have already taken steps to improve his conditions.
 
Pertinax said:
So without wishing to speculate too much, its likely YWP may get a male or two more before any females.

And a news feed states the Argentinian bear is staying put as they say he is too old to move to Canada, though they have already taken steps to improve his conditions.
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YWP may receive a female, however it's likely that they won't receive a female from the studbook this soon. For example, the female from Mexico is likely to be the first female to arrive from what I've read.
 
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I doubt the female from Mexico will *ever* arrive - but time will tell :)

It was certainly shaping up to be a decent enclosure when I visited in April - it will be good to have the species back on public display in England, and so close to me!
 
TeaLovingDave said:
I doubt the female from Mexico will *ever* arrive - but time will tell :)

It was certainly shaping up to be a decent enclosure when I visited in April - it will be good to have the species back on public display in England, and so close to me!
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I was also thinking that, the same situation occurred with the Amur Tiger from Bulgaria (?). I echo your thoughts, it saves me the trouble of going up to Scotland! :D
 
It does not ;) because Highland Wildlife Park is somewhere you should go anyhow!
 
Jordan-Jaguar97 said:
YWP may receive a female, however it's likely that they won't receive a female from the studbook this soon. For example, the female from Mexico is likely to be the first female to arrive.
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No, she is not most definitely! Quiet diplomacy is not helped when public outcry and when baseless incorrect information is spread around.
 
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