Animals you'll never see in a zoo

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1. Trichechus inunguis´-2.8 m; in comparison to T. bernhardi's 1.3m
Marc van Roosmalen, New Species, Dwarf Manatee, Amazon Association for the Preservation of Nature

2. Marc van Roosmalen, New Species, Amazon Association for the Preservation of Nature

3. Then why do You find the cougar in almost the same areas? Why did different saber-toothed cats roam the Americas up to 10.000 years ago-together with "modern" jaguars back then? Why do big cat species appear parallely in Africa and Asia? The answer is: (slightly) different niches in the individual eco-system. In the case of the black "jaguar", the description of a social hunting system (as a pair) is quite interesting in regard to this. I'm not willing to turn You from a doubting Thoams to a die-hard Roosmalen fan; but just look at the data and wait whether after a while more results/data might pop up before falling prematurely for Cuvier's Rash Dictum...
 
so why has this guy given the "dwarf manatee" a new species name when the first paragraph of his own report ends with "we consider the dawrf manatee at the verge of extinction........harbours a viable population of this subspecies"

either this guy is jumping the gun or he needs a lesson in nomenclature!!!

look dude, i'm well aware there are undiscovered species out there but i'm not much of a cryptozoologist. i'm a doubter before i'm a believer. don't try to convert me, cos your wasting your time.
 
Like I said, pat-I'm not trying to covert You; see my last sentence in the post above.
To Your question regarding the dwarf manatee: 1. Your question is aptly answered in the passus on the left of the last picture. While the genotyp does not indicate much difference from that of the Amazonian manatee, the phenotypical differences are in his opinion-which would also follow Your statement about the "fluid" status of species-enough to call it a species on its own. The subspecies part most likely results from the first assumption at the time of the discovery and should be corrected. The endangered status of the animal according to Roosmalen esteems from its limited occurence within a restricted area.
Don't assume prematurely that I'm one of those Fox Mulder-like "I want to believe"-guys; nothing could be further away from the truth. But in this case, keeping Roosmalen's results so far and the likeliness of said species in mind, I'm much more willing to consider the existence of these species as genuine as that of "monsters" in Scottish lakes, giant reptiles in African swamps or unknown primates in the USA...
 
patrick , Sun Wukong ,

I'm greatly enjoying the interplay between you two.
You are obviously both extremely knowledgeable and were probably the debating champs of your schools!

Verbally, patrick has been the "master swordsman" of this site for a long time and now he finally has a worthy opponent. :D
 
ha ha ha!

he does pull out some nice references, i'll give him that - my favorite so far was the "Cuvier's Rash Dictum" comment....very, very smooth :)
 
Ara said:
patrick , Sun Wukong ,

I'm greatly enjoying the interplay between you two.
You are obviously both extremely knowledgeable and were probably the debating champs of your schools!

Verbally, patrick has been the "master swordsman" of this site for a long time and now he finally has a worthy opponent. :D
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Me too!!......and there I was just posting a link that I thought others might find interesting and to stimulate a little discussion......got what I wished for I reckon! Whether a real species or not I would still love to see a dwarf manatee! Speaking of 'sea cows', does anyone know if there are any dugongs in captivity (in australia or asia?).

All the Best
Dean
 
Pertinax said:
I wonder if you're the keeper who let me feed him fruit....;)

I believe he's not in the best of health nowadays and so far hasn't been able to impregnate a female at Way Kambas
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Wrong again. I've just seen an IRF 'blog' dated 7th December(this year) which shows photos of Torgamba being introduced to the young female 'Ratu' at Way Kambas, and including a successful (40 minute) mating....

However they state they can't see any sign of sperm production from Torgamba but will test Ratu in a couple weeks just in case there is a pregnancy. At least Torgamba now seems fit enough to be able to mate again.:)
 
geez, i hope so. establishing a bloodline that is in no way related to the cincinatti pair is going to be very helpful start to the program.
 
Writhedhornbill said:
There haven't been any whales in zoos have there? They seem to be too big to keep in captivity.
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The San Deigo Seaworld used to have a Gray whale (Gigi I think) a while ago untill it grew to big for it tank then it was released back at sea, it was tracked some time after and was reported doing very well.
 
patrick said:
geez, i hope so. establishing a bloodline that is in no way related to the cincinatti pair is going to be very helpful start to the program.
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yeah, it would be great if Torgamba would breed successfully. He must be getting quite elderly now. But I think these may be last ditch efforts with him and that Andalas is probably their main hope as a breeding male.
 
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