Asian Elephants in Europe 2021
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how did they determine this? They do not ultrasound their females as of a few years ago.
If she is indeed pregnant hopefully it will be a female.
Great news.
They have done a urine test.
thanks. Only way it could fail is if the other female(s) are actually pregnant. Lol . I sure wish they would allow mingular oo to try again and actually have a female. Maybe in a couple of years.
Okavango
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Anyone has any news about the reproduction at La Palmyre ? it's been 3 years since Gandhi arrived. The genetic heritage of the 3 females is really important for the breeding program but the stress is very present for Ziha and Alix because of the little enclosure,... For the keepers of La Palmyre the reason is principally the wait before meal but in reality it is an accumulation. And the separation of daughters/mothers is for me a less reproductive factor.
I don’t understand your post? Ziha and Alix are mother and daughter. And are not separated.
Okavango
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Oh yess sorry...
Today, there are 4 elephants in La Palmyre : Gandhi (M), Malicia, Alix and Ziha (F).
The females are always together and the male is going to his batiment for the midday.
In 2006 and in 2010, Homaline (daughter of Alix and Shinto) and Angele (daughter of Malicia and Shinto) were transferred to Pont Scorff and Budapest. And in my opinion, these transfers are a traumatism for Alix and Malicia.
Today, there are 4 elephants in La Palmyre : Gandhi (M), Malicia, Alix and Ziha (F).
The females are always together and the male is going to his batiment for the midday.
In 2006 and in 2010, Homaline (daughter of Alix and Shinto) and Angele (daughter of Malicia and Shinto) were transferred to Pont Scorff and Budapest. And in my opinion, these transfers are a traumatism for Alix and Malicia.
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I see. Homaline and Angele bred at their respective zoos so they must have adjusted.
I honestly always thought Ghandi was short (with a really big head) in the pics. So if he’s truly short maybe he couldn’t reach the females plus he has no experience. Does anyone know how tall he is?
I don't think that is a problem. His full brother Chang had the same physical (a really big head and short legs) and he bred for the first time at the same age as Ghandi is now.
maybe it’s just a matter of time?
Elephantelephant
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Nach Tod von "Nanda": Zoo Karlsruhe holt Elefantendame "Saida" aus Leipzig | ka-news
Saida will move from Leipzig to Karlsruhe soon. Zoo hopes to befriend Jenny.
Saida will move from Leipzig to Karlsruhe soon. Zoo hopes to befriend Jenny.
Elephantelephant
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Saida was transfered to Karlsruhe and zoo announced that Don Chung will move to Cottbus because she can't be with matriarch Kewa.
Mr.Ivory
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So Rani will stay with Kewa's matrilineal line, or would see head to either Munster to live with her full sister Ratna and breed with Nikolai or to Hamburg to reunite with the herd their
This is no good
Honestly Leipzigs elephant program has been such a mess for the past 10+ years. They've had more animals swapped in and out than I think any other facility besides Emmen (and that's just because Emmen produced so many calves that needed to be transferred out, the opposite of Leipzigs issue).
I hope this will be the end of it, and Leipzig will finally be happy with the Kewa family and Voi Nam. Call it a feeling, but I wouldn't be surprised if Rani eventually finds her way out of the facility as well. However I don't think Hamburg or Munster would be the best options. Both already have well established groups and Rani doesn't know any of them (I know she was born at Hamburg, but she was so young when she left).
I strongly wish Leipzig could have just stuck with the Rani+Don Chung pair, plus Saida. Saida obviously gets on well enough with bulls, so she could have been housed with Voi Nam at least part of the time to give her some direct social interaction. Or even better, have Salvana sent back to Leipzig to re join her mother as. No doubt it would be a very happy move for both cows, plus Leipzig would have two different breeding cows (still in two groups, but Leipzig has a number of yards).
Also unusual they wouldn't send Don Chung to be with Trinh and Hoa. She got on well with them and they were only moved apart less than two years ago. Would seem like the logical place to send her to, instead of a whole new facility with new animals, for a cow that seems to have a bit of a hard time with making new friends.
Rajang-GOAT
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Does any of this apply to African elephants as well?
No, because African elephants in Europe don´t have a self-sustaining population (number of deaths is still higher than number of surviving calves) unlike Asians.