Asian Elephants in Europe 2022

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Good news, it’s just been announced that in addition to Pantha (who just gave birth) and Thuza (who is due any time), both Kewa and Rani at Leipzig are pregnant as well! The two cows are both due in mid 2023.

It’s nice to see that after SO many years of trying a large combination of different proven bulls and cows with very minimal success, that Leipzig is finally seeing the results they have always wanted, a (generally) cohesive herd that is getting reliable breeding results. Fingers crossed all goes well for the mothers to be, and it’s little cows calves for all three of them! (Although knowing how things usually are, it’ll be a group of four little bulls, of course).

Honestly I see it differently. It is strange how the lane was made free for one zoo who was not successful with elephants so far. And now we have a narrow breeding limit per year and an age limit - and for Leipzig this does not count? Unfair towards other zoos... I mean, is it an EEP or an LEP (Leipzig Endangered Species Program...)?!?
 
According to the new EEP guidelines to limit breeding, all young females are allowed to have calves (not sure if there is a Maximum number?). Pantha, Thuza and Rani have no (surviving) offspring and allowing them to have a calf is totally in accordance with the EEP. The only one whose pregnancy is problematic is Kewa, but she is genetically important.
 
Honestly I see it differently. It is strange how the lane was made free for one zoo who was not successful with elephants so far. And now we have a narrow breeding limit per year and an age limit - and for Leipzig this does not count? Unfair towards other zoos... I mean, is it an EEP or an LEP (Leipzig Endangered Species Program...)?!?

I must agree with this. It still irritates me with EEP and Emmen. The EEP limited the breeding to ONE cow with NO guarantee of a female calf? With only three breeding cows and all of those boys Emmen desperately needs to develop a female line. So they need to move all of the older boys out to USA, Ramat Gan and even Australia if Australia desires one more bull that is unrelated. The Naing Thein/Mekong male line will then disperse into other countries. The UK could keep a couple of Radza sons as there are only two breeding Radza daughters ( I am not sure about the status of Zuze, his oldest daughter).

I will have to check about Koln. I don’t remember the male/female ratio.
 
Koln has 5 breedable females. Only two cows have a daughter each. Marlar hasn’t had a daughter yet.
 
According to the new EEP guidelines to limit breeding, all young females are allowed to have calves (not sure if there is a Maximum number?). Pantha, Thuza and Rani have no (surviving) offspring and allowing them to have a calf is totally in accordance with the EEP. The only one whose pregnancy is problematic is Kewa, but she is genetically important.

I think the limit was set to 12 a year or something like this, maybe someone still knows it more precisely. Age between 8 and 25 with 8 years between two births was the rule, at least for "normal" zoos.

Particularly Kewa... yes, she is a wildborn, but she has a matriline of 3 already and if Temi was moved back to her mother it would even be 4 - plus their possible new female offspring. We have plenty of other wildborn younger elephant cows with smaller matrilines or none at all where breeding would make much more sense.

@zzchip: Cologne is a special situation with all their unrelated cows. In my opinion Marlar should be sent elsewhere and get a quick permit to breed. Cologne has one working matriline with Shu-Thu-Zar, Bindi and Leev Ma Rie they should focus on.
 
Olifantencams in Diergaarde Blijdorp Rotterdam

Which web cam works? My browser can’t translate Dutch. Each one keeps rebuffering.


Thanks.

The first is their outdoor yard, and the second is an inside area where I typically see them sleeping. The final 2 are different angles from their big indoor area I believe.


It also says,
"These indoor cams are off between 7:00 -15:00. The white light you see at night is an infrared light that does not bother the animals themselves. This way the caretakers can follow the elephants well." so its hit or miss for where you will see them, but they do work!
 
The first is their outdoor yard, and the second is an inside area where I typically see them sleeping. The final 2 are different angles from their big indoor area I believe.


It also says,
"These indoor cams are off between 7:00 -15:00. The white light you see at night is an infrared light that does not bother the animals themselves. This way the caretakers can follow the elephants well." so its hit or miss for where you will see them, but they do work!

When I press on the link it dosen't take me to any webcams?
 
Genuinely terrible news :( However I can’t say I’m terribly surprised, from pictures I’ve seen of him over the past few months, he was very much starting to suddenly look “old” compared photos even from the start of the year.

Luka was a special animal for a number of reasons. Not only was he a rather impressive looking bull overall, large and tall with long, thick tusks, and a generally sociable nature; he was also European conceived and born AND contributed to the population at a time when very few animals were, one of the true great captive bred “founders”, along with Chang, Irma, Ramon, and Alexander. On top of this, he reached a very respectable age for any zoo housed bull, which is all the more impressive considering the time he was born, the first 20-30 years of his life likely afforded him little in the way of -advantages to living such a long life.

The only sad thing, unlike his peers Irma, Ramon, Chang, and Alex, as mentioned, Luka has a fairly limited surviving legacy. While his genetics are secure in his adult breeding daughters May Tagu and her young daughter Suki at Plankendael and Vishesh and bull calf Chandru at Ostrava, he also has his young son Yaro with genetically valuable cow Donna.

One can only hope that Yaro will continue to grow and thrive while avoiding the ever present risk of herpes until he reaches his mid teens, and one day has the chance to become a stunning bull like his father. It’s a stretch, but one can only hope there was a chance that perhaps Luka managed to impregnate Sita and Donna one last time before his passing and he will still manage to produce one or two past calves after his passing, much like the late, great Radza.

Rest In Peace big guy, you were a wonderful bull who lived a long and colourful life, and despite all the odds, came out of it doing pretty darn good for yourself.
 
Rest In Peace big guy, you were a wonderful bull who lived a long and colourful life, and despite all the odds, came out of it doing pretty darn good for yourself.

He was also a very dangerous bull. He killed two keepers in Belgrade Zoo. He was moved around a lot during his life and was at Port Lympne in the UK for a while. I'm not sure if he didn't kill someone there too...:(
 
He was also a very dangerous bull. He killed two keepers in Belgrade Zoo. He was moved around a lot during his life and was at Port Lympne in the UK for a while. I'm not sure if he didn't kill someone there too...:(

Yeah, he killed two keepers in the early 80's at Belgrade.

He was at Port Lympne for a decade (1997-2006); but I don't think he killed any keepers there. He did sire five calves, including a surviving daughter, May Tagu, who's mothered calves at Planckendael.
 
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