Belfast Zoo Belfast's mystery new mammal arrives nexy week!

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Yes indeed they are a pair and we hope to breed them in the future, the female is slightly rounded and birthing period is in and around november but that could just be wishful thinking on my part :)

We plan to renovate our existing short clawed otter exhibit for them as we feel the size is more than adequate for them ( but would be too small for the aforementioned giant otters).

The short claws will stay in the collection and perhaps will be mixed with an existing species in their enclosure!


On another note both our black-footed cat females are pregnant! so watch this space :)
 
purple faced Langurs.

On a different note, do you still have the Purple-faced Langurs in the collection? They are not show for Belfast on the ISIS listings, only for Cotswold & Edinburgh in the UK.
 
Great news about the otters and especially good news about the black footed cat, this will be great news for the European breeding programme, if both females successfully give birth, when are the kittens due?
Back to the otters, will there be in an indoor area for them to use?, being a tropical species, is it necessary?
 
great news on the black-footed cats! Hope there won't be any problems!

Does this mean another species in the zoo will be joining the short clawed otters?

any other news you can indulge us with about the zoo like new developments, births, deaths, arrivals etc???
 
The short claws will stay in the collection and perhaps will be mixed with an existing species in their enclosure!


On another note both our black-footed cat females are pregnant! so watch this space :)

Do the sun bears have a pool in their enclosure;)
 
It's 'unnecessary' to the continued existence of the species (for now) in the wild. Is that what you mean?
Not so long ago, the Oriental White-backed Vulture was considered to be just about the commonest bird of prey in the world. If some had been taken into captivity, I imagine people like yourself would have stridently denounced the zoos involved for their 'unnecessary' action.
Then the vulture numbers collapsed: the species is now critically endangered.
Maybe it would have been a good idea for zoos to build up expertise in captive husbandry for the vulture, at a time when taking a relatively small number of individuals from the wild would have made little difference?
None of us know which species will be the next to need a captive breeding programme: that's why some people got shirty about you saying there'd never be an EEP for smooth-coated otters. Neither you nor I can say that....unless you do have a crystal ball....in which case would you send me next week's winning lottery numbers, please.
If your uncertain of what your talking about please do some research before you make a post.

First the "White backed vulture" has been known as the "white rumped vulture" for a number of years now and the former refers solely to the African species. Secondly the species was already in steady decline through much of South East Asia with the disappearance of the large wild ungulates and improved management of domestic livestock. As a result of these factors had already vanished from much of its range BEFORE the diclofenac poisoning. So this species doesn't fit the bill for the scenario you describe

Fourthly I can tell you now that all the "expertise" required to successfully propagate White rumped vultures in captivity had been acquired long before the AVC.

So are you seriously suggesting that Zoo's should maintain self sustaining populations of every common species in the off chance an ecological catastrophe occurs ??

I very much hope you don’t aspire to work in conservation.

BONGOROB

Thanks for presenting a researched argument complete with a reference!

I also own a copy of the handbook, for the most part it's a well researched book. However i'm sure you have noticed inaccuracies and mistakes (as you will find in any first edition).

Many of the threats to the species mentioned in the text are the same "generic" threats that every species living on this planet will have to deal with in the coming years.

What made this species so different to me was the close proximity to human settlement I have seen them in. On one occasion I watched as fishermen gave them offal from their catch. During my travels I formed the opinion that Smooth Coated Otters are perhaps most able to cope with limited changes in their environment. I would also like to say that this has been reinforced by conversations with park rangers and researchers.

The same can't be said for two of the other three species of otter in the region. The European otter has seen drastic reduction in range and the hairy nosed otter was thought to have been exterminated once already.

The reason I started what has now become a rant is because I disagree with the status that people on here have given smooth coated otters.



Of course this isn’t to say the species will become the most endangered otter on the planet in the future. What I am saying is there are otter species that ARE CRITICALLY ENDANGERED RIGHT NOW and zoo's resources should be aimed at them instead.

Zoo's currently exist under the guise of being institutes for wildlife conservation (and to a lesser degree education of the public etc) and continue to have public support based on those principles. How much would public opinion sway if the average visitor knew the truth of the matter particularly with places like RSCC.

A captive population of smooth coated otters in the UK has no conservation value at this time and are surplus to education requirements because of the well established small clawed otter.
 
Peacockpheasant, you obviously believe yourself to be wiser than anyone else on this forum. Instead of being rude and offensive as you hide behind a silly pseudonym, why don't you just tell us who & what you are.
We can then judge whether to take you seriously.
 
Totally agree MikeG

Peackock pheasant why be some downright rude and judge others? Its a forum for all animal lovers, zoo enthusiasts and zoo keepers. Who are you and why be ignorant of others views?
 
Woah, what started off as a "guess what new animal we're getting" thread has turned into a huge heated argument/debate on wheather these otters are worth it all.

I think everyone needs to just calm down.

Its great that a sepcies that is uncommon in the UK/ Europe is being shown, so whats the worry?
And even if it isnt critically endangered, it could become so in the future, so if there are any births, its a good "saftey net" population.

As it has been said, many animals that arent critically endangered, or in need of immediate conservation are imported to zoos around the world.

No need for people to be getting irate about this is there?

Relax, im sure Belfast know what theyre doing.
 
Peacockpheasant, you obviously believe yourself to be wiser than anyone else on this forum. Instead of being rude and offensive as you hide behind a silly pseudonym, why don't you just tell us who & what you are.
We can then judge whether to take you seriously.



I can understand the excitement on the smooth coated otters arriving in Belfast and I can also understand the keepers in Belfast are proud (I would be as well if I would be in their shoes), but in my eyes Peacockpheasant is right and his arguments supported by facts.

He might be direct and people might not like the messages, but it might have been a better choise to go for an endangered otterspecies on the side of Belfast (although these would be harder to require).


with regards



Daniel
 
Woah, what started off as a "guess what new animal we're getting" thread has turned into a huge heated argument/debate on wheather these otters are worth it all.

tends to happen alot on forums.
And the otters ARE worth it.:mad: May not be as rare as people hoped they'd be but in my eyes, and many others, thats does not affect how special they really are. And the visitors are going to go bloody bonkers over them!:D

Anyway, moving swiftly on, Al what age are the otters currently?
 
Peacockpheasant, you obviously believe yourself to be wiser than anyone else on this forum. Instead of being rude and offensive as you hide behind a silly pseudonym, why don't you just tell us who & what you are.
We can then judge whether to take you seriously.

Zoology BSc
Wildlife Management MSc
My 4 year genetic research project earnt me a PhD

In the past I have worked on several conservation projects in different countries and I have worked for 2 major US zoo's and run two SSP's.

Aside from this I also run a very successful business with my wife.

I have maintained a sizeable private collection (mainly birds but also some reptiles and mammals including primates) with the help of my family and close friends since settling back in the UK. I have had a lot of success with some of the species for example this year I successfully raised my 5th Blyths Hornbill. I will not comment any more on what I keep because I have had several attempted and one successful thefts in the last 3 years.

I have also been lucky enough to visit over 120 zoos in 30 countries and have seen many species in the wild including an Indochinese Tiger, Philippine Eagle and Malayan Tapir.

No I don't think im wiser than "anyone on this forum". I have previously stated there are many people here who's opinions I value and knowledge I respect..
 
At the end of the day, these are marvellous animals who I'm sure will make a valuable impact on visitors to Belfast as they see and hopefully learn about an animal they probably would have never heard of before. :)
 
I remember seeing smooth-coated otters at Twycross in 1973. I think they had a breeding pair of different subspecies and a few young.
 
Twycross (according to chimps with everything), were the first zoo in the western hemisphere (i think that was meant to be outside Asia), to breed smooth coated otters.
 
As a Zoo Enthusiast I am delighted to hear of the arrival of smooth-coated otters at Belfast . They have an interesting Otter enclosure and it will be a change to see another species other than the usual short-clawed otters which very many collections now keep . I seem to remember that the pair at Twycross showed themselves well on my visits years ago .
 
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