Thank you.It is not really a tie considering London has received 3 more votes on the vote poll.I can certainly with the majority.The London exhibit is far better than Edinbrugh’s.No, I meant the whole Penguin Beach.
Fair point, they are quite close in this respect, but I meant within the bounds of a tie with Edinburgh.
22 May, 10:15 am
Is what London has to offer. Which, in total, is actually larger than Edinburgh's.
however, I'd estimate that in terms of length that viewing area is still about the same as that at Edinburgh, which is obviously rather deeper too. So point only partially conceded. my London visits have been 2012 (x2), 2014, 2017, 2018.
but your first two points are empirically incorrect. I'll work out the relative sizes of the exhibits minus public viewing areas anon.
My meaning was that if you calculate the total individuals and divide the enclosure size by that, you will likely find London has more space for each individual penguin.It's been about two years since I last visited, and I could only find that initial one on Streetview
Much of the right-hand side of the area you selected!
As noted above, yes
I shall turn the question around: have you actually been to Edinburgh's exhibit?
Well, the latter point is your opinion and therefore (although strange) within your rights
It's been about two years since I last visited, and I could only find that initial one on Streetview
Much of the right-hand side of the area you selected!
As noted above, yes
I shall turn the question around: have you actually been to Edinburgh's exhibit?
Well, the latter point is your opinion and therefore (although strange) within your rights
I do believe the London exhibit is better than Edinburgh’s though.The one at Edinburgh is too plain.If it is going to be that simple, it should at least replicate ice like some aquariums do with their penguin exhibits.I meant tie in the sense of a match rather than of a split vote
I wouldn't say London's is by far better than Edinburgh's in fact I think they are really evenly-matched and in the end comes down to whether one prefers a relatively old, functional exhibit, or a new aesthetically-pleasing and themed exhibit. I am in the latter category of people, possibly owing to my age but also to my tastes (for example, I like Beauval a lot).
Fair enough on the viewing, it's a tight one - not really a point in either zoo's favour.
As for the pumping areas, I selected the 'Base Camp' (the house in the bottom left) with theming and educational material, the viewing deck, and then the penguin area behind it, although I will concede that I did include a small keeper area which is only around 10 square metres at most, but if it bothers you I will subtract that area from my claimed exhibit footprint. However, I still maintain I missed off a good portion of viewing so that should make up for it.
I have indeed seen Edinburgh's exhibit, although I must admit not to the same level as you have seen London's. I saw it on my visit to Edinburgh and then the Cairngorms in 2014. So you win on that count, although I haven't made any claims about Edinburgh's exhibit apart from texture to be fair.
For those who can visualize such measurements and volumes, the London zoo Penguin pool is 1200 square metres in size and contains 450,000 litres of water. If it helps, this is around half the volume of water in Nuremberg or Burger's manatee pools.
Well, the latter point is your opinion and therefore (although strange) within your rights
Perfectly good point.Edinburgh is bigger.
Ice really does not matter ,just a bonus and is almost impossible to provide.Vegetation,however,is the bane of simplicity.Take a simple enclosure, add vegetation and automatically, it is more in place.So, does it fall short because it doesn't have widespread thick vegetation, or because it doesn't have ice? Decisions, decisions......
Oh, only from London zoo themselves, who are the only ones who can accurately measure the area of their pool.
Google Maps after all is only really useful in calculating comparative areas, because the areas are often warped and inaccurate. Of course, I accept your point about the area comparison, although I got a larger figure for London and a slightly smaller figure for Edinburgh, although you measured the latter much more accurately than me I must admit.
As I said before, I reckon it all comes down to taste. Objective measurements can only take you so far. It all links back to the discussion in other threads of aesthetically-pleasing vs. functional.
Well it also means Edinburgh will not be breeding Kings.
It is very close.
