Big/Small cats in the UK

Edinburgh does not hold the species anymore.

It used to hold 2,1 individuals, of which 1,1 were siblings. When the collection went out of the species, the unrelated 1,1 went to Exmoor whilst the spare (and related) 1,0 went to Thrigby Hall. In the intervening time, the unrelated male at Exmoor has passed away, leaving 0,1 at this collection and 1,0 (the sibling) at Thrigby Hall.

As the only time within the last 7 years (the period during which cuckooduck claims to have been working in zoological collections) when there have been related individuals at the same collection was at Edinburgh, this is why I surmised that this is where he worked with the taxon..... although given the siblings were *never* paired up, and there was an unrelated male present too, it would be disingenuous to claim this is why the species never bred there.

This page (dated 2017) states Exmoor Zoo have two unrelated Asian Golden Cats

Cat: Asian golden cat at Exmoor Zoo

Here at the zoo we have 2 unrelated individuals which represent a third generation breeding from the wild (F3). We are requested not to breed them as no other unrelated individuals occur anywhere else in captivity. We have to obscure their enclosure so they cannot easily be seen and keep them separated! They are part of an EEP (European breeding program).
 
This page (dated 2017) states Exmoor Zoo have two unrelated Asian Golden Cats

Which is why I said the following:

When the collection went out of the species, the unrelated 1,1 went to Exmoor

Telling me something I already know is one thing, but telling me something I *just* told you is another :p as noted above, the unrelated male has since passed away.
 
@TeaLovingDave. Your post was vague in the sense it didn't indicate the time the male passed. Your statement would have been more helpful if you'd said the male passed away this year, rather than 'In the intervening time, the unrelated male at Exmoor has passed away' which leaves the timeframe open to interpretation and to me implied it happened a while ago. I suspect you don't know when the male actually passed, which was why you didn't include this information.

Like I said in my previous post, the Exmoor Zoo website (dated 2017) said they had two, so I had every reason to believe it was current information. Assuming you don't work there, is it not possible they could have acquired a new Golden Cat without your knowledge? #rhetoricalquestion
 
This page (dated 2017) states Exmoor Zoo have two unrelated Asian Golden Cats

Cat: Asian golden cat at Exmoor Zoo

Here at the zoo we have 2 unrelated individuals which represent a third generation breeding from the wild (F3). We are requested not to breed them as no other unrelated individuals occur anywhere else in captivity. We have to obscure their enclosure so they cannot easily be seen and keep them separated! They are part of an EEP (European breeding program).

No Exmoor don't have Golden Cats they have gone so tld is correct,and again you are trying to use old information to prove yourself right!
 
I suspect you don't know when the male actually passed, which was why you didn't include this information.

Alternatively, I was trying to simplify the information dump as much as possible whilst still being helpful :p you will note that I didn't say when Edinburgh went out of the species either, but it doesn't mean I don't know that either! The species is actually one of my specialist subjects, being my favourite small cat and one I have seen several times.

For the record, I believe that the male Tibetan Golden Cat at Exmoor (Khan, born at Wassenaar Wildlife Breeding Centre in c.1999) died in February 2017, leaving a single female (Swai-fai, born at Parc des Felins in 2007) at the collection. Khan was the last Tibetan Golden Cat unrelated to all other individuals in the breeding programme, with Swai-fai, her brother Ipoh (born at Parc des Felins in 2008, and now held at Thrigby Hall) and their direct family at Parc des Felins being the only members of this taxon (Catopuma temminckii tristis) remaining in European collections.

I briefly digress to note the fact that tristis has recently been proposed to be synonymous with mainland populations of Catopuma temminckii temminckii, with this scientific name reserved for the populations found in the Indonesian islands and an older name - Catopuma temminckii moormensis - used for all mainland populations.

Swai-fai and Khan each came from Edinburgh Zoo in 2014 when the collection decided to cease keeping Tibetan Golden Cat; however Ipoh remained at the collection offshow until 2015, as the collection naturally had more trouble finding somewhere interested in a single individual than it did an unrelated pair. Swai-fai and Ipoh had arrived at Edinburgh Zoo in 2009 from Parc des Felins, their place of birth, joining an elderly and unrelated male called Bruno (born at Wassenaar in 1995). This male died in 2012, leading the collection to obtain Khan - whose provenance I have already discussed - from Rotterdam, which had been his home since 2006 when Wassenaar closed down.

Enough information included for you now? :p

Assuming you don't work there, is it not possible they could have acquired a new Golden Cat without your knowledge? #rhetoricalquestion

No; as noted above Khan was the last unrelated individual in Europe and as such the out-of-date website can only be referring to him #nonrhetoricalanswer

No Exmoor don't have Golden Cats they have gone so tld is correct

Interesting - I had actually been unaware that Swai-fai had left the collection now. Did she pass away or has she been sent to another collection elsewhere in Europe? If the latter, I would be very much interested to learn whereabouts she now is.
 
Not 100% sure but will be visiting soon so will try and find out. I may not be able to post the answer Tld but will let you know one way or the other.
 
Not 100% sure but will be visiting soon so will try and find out. I may not be able to post the answer Tld but will let you know one way or the other.

Cheers :) if she has gone to a continental collection, it is possible the breeding programme is following the recent research and now treating the European population along moormensis and temminckii lines - in which case she and her siblings at Thrigby and Parc des Felins would represent fresh blood for the overall genepool.
 
@TeaLovingDave @Zoofan15 ... I worked with the pair at Exmoor Zoo. I was under the impression they were related as that was the explanation to why they were kept separate, I was told at the time. Sad to hear that the male has died he was fiesty feline and a lovely example of the species.
 
I worked with the pair at Exmoor Zoo. I was under the impression they were related as that was the explanation to why they were kept separate, I was told at the time.

The weird thing is, the page linked above discussing the pair says they were kept seperate because they were unrelated :p

Here at the zoo we have 2 unrelated individuals which represent a third generation breeding from the wild (F3). We are requested not to breed them as no other unrelated individuals occur anywhere else in captivity.

The logic is pretty bizarre........
 
As a monthly visitor to Exmoor Zoo I can Confirm that The Female Golden Cat has left for a Zoo in Germany - I can't remember which one though. The male died a while ago. Exmoor Zoo can be a bit slow updating their website. Speaking to a Keeper they may possibly get Bobcat in the future. But at present a young ground Hornbill is in (what was) the Golden Cats enclosure.
 
As a monthly visitor to Exmoor Zoo I can Confirm that The Female Golden Cat has left for a Zoo in Germany - I can't remember which one though. The male died a while ago. Exmoor Zoo can be a bit slow updating their website. Speaking to a Keeper they may possibly get Bobcat in the future. But at present a young ground Hornbill is in (what was) the Golden Cats enclosure.
Shame they don't hold Golden Cats any longer, but will be great news if they get Bobcat, I haven't seen them in the UK in almost 40 years since Kilverstone had them for a while
 
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Shame they don't hold Golden Cats any longer, but will be great news if they get Bobcat, I haven't seen them in the UK in almost 40 years since Kilverstone had them for a while

I am fairly sure that these, along with those at Chester in the mid-1980s, were the last of their kind in the UK when it comes to public collections.
 
The weird thing is, the page linked above discussing the pair says they were kept seperate because they were unrelated :p

Here at the zoo we have 2 unrelated individuals which represent a third generation breeding from the wild (F3). We are requested not to breed them as no other unrelated individuals occur anywhere else in captivity.

The logic is pretty bizarre........
the sentence doesn't make much sense as you say, so I think perhaps it is due to a typo - the first "unrelated" is supposed to say "related". Then the sentence does make sense.
 
Except for the fact that the pair in question *were* unrelated of course :p
 
I am fairly sure that these, along with those at Chester in the mid-1980s, were the last of their kind in the UK when it comes to public collections.
Thanks, I saw them on my first visit to Kilverstone in 1977, but I'm sure they'd gone by my 3Rd or 4th visit 2 years later!
Finally seen again at Tierpark Berlin June 2017
 
No Exmoor don't have Golden Cats they have gone so tld is correct,and again you are trying to use old information to prove yourself right!

If you'd actually bothered to read the posts, you'd see TLD had referred to Exmoor Zoo as having received two Golden Cats (one he mentioned had passed away).
 
Thank you @Drago for the recent information on the female at Exmoor and to
@TeaLovingDave for the expanded information, which I found interesting. You mention these cats are a specialist subject of yours? Out of interest, do you know any examples of litters of Golden Cats containing three kittens. I've only heard of single kittens, or twins being born but understand the litter size is 1-3 from other sources for this species.
 
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