Well there's 2000 animals at Bristol and that's on 12 acres. The animal there are pretty spaced out, so I imagine if the space in Valencia is more devoted to the animals then it should be ok. (Not that Bristol doesn't give animals enough room, just the fact that there's loads of lawns and stuff that aren't used for animals).
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Thanks Ashley, and I figured that the numbers were accurate. Sometimes I'm a little shocked with how many animals can be crammed into urban zoos. Having 2,000 animals on 12 acres at Bristol Zoo sounds as if there are rows of sardine tins lined up with captive creatures, but I suppose that many zoos are similar in size and space requirements.
Well, the number includes fishes in the hippos. and crocs. "pool" inside the Kitum cave,but not (I think) the fishes in the ponds around all the zoo.Many birds are not yet on display,because they are in an aviary outside of cave,(open in 9/15 I hope)and more animals are still coming,like Thomson gazelles,and others.
The completely size are 10.5 hectares,but now only has 8 developed (including the cave) the rest are developed in the future for "Asia & America's" habitats.(I totally sure about this information)
The completely size are 10.5 hectares,but now only has 8 developed (including the cave) the rest are developed in the future for "Asia & America's" habitats.(I totally sure about this information)
ANyhuis, see my post in the Beindorm thread for the stats on size, species and specimens (can't find an attendance figure though)
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Thanks -- I got it. Was just wondering if KEEPER (or anyone else) had the attendance for Benidorm.
I find no official data available, but through other informal data could be estimated at some 600,000 visitors year, to Terra Natura.I found a story where it is said the 2,000,000 visitors received his October 15, 2008
@Keeper:
I'm shure that you will have much closer contacts to Bioparc Valencia then I have.
But I still wonder about the size. If 8 ha are developed, and the total size is 10.5 ha, then just 2.5 ha are left for the two themes "South America" and "Southeast Asia". So in this case we can not expect large animals such as Tigers, Tapirs, Orang-Utans, Nilgais, Jaguars (not to mention Asian Elephants and One-horned Rhino). There will be just smaller animals. Am I right?
I'm shure that you will have much closer contacts to Bioparc Valencia then I have.
But I still wonder about the size. If 8 ha are developed, and the total size is 10.5 ha, then just 2.5 ha are left for the two themes "South America" and "Southeast Asia". So in this case we can not expect large animals such as Tigers, Tapirs, Orang-Utans, Nilgais, Jaguars (not to mention Asian Elephants and One-horned Rhino). There will be just smaller animals. Am I right?
In Fuengirola zoo,2 hectares...they have Sumatran tigers,Bornean Orangutans,Malayan tapirs,Philipine deers,gorillas,bantengs,anoas,Sri.Lankan leopards,pygmy hippos,gibbons,Nile crocodiles and many more middle and small animals,why not can Valencia have tigers or orangutans and tapirs? Remember two zoos are builded and operated by the same company...of course I not wait to see Asian elephants or Indian rhinos in bioparc.
In Fuengirola, most enclosures are much too small, and I hope very much the expansion in Valencia will not copy the asian-theme enclosures from Fuengirola.. just that you CAN keep so many large animals on 2 ha doesn`t mean you should. But I have read somewhere that the company which owns both zoos is not doing well financially these days and the expansion in Valencia is far away. I think they havn`t even openend the hippo enclosure in the african section, it`s overdue since months.
You're right Yassa the America-Asia extension planed it's delayed, I think for a long time,and the cave opening was delayed at least one time.Otherwise I totally agree with you, on space issues,I not expect to see all the species named before for bioparc, but tigers,gibbons, orangs and some American monkeys,and maras or similar animals yes.
@Keeper:
This part of Yassa's quote is exactly the point:
"In Fuengirola, most enclosures are much too small, and I hope very much the expansion in Valencia will not copy the asian-theme enclosures from Fuengirola.. just that you CAN keep so many large animals on 2 ha doesn`t mean you should."
To Fuengirola and its size and way to show larger animals such Tigers and Orangs you can also mention: The immersion(and illusion)-like exhibits are well done. But the share-system, that you can find often there is really not the clue: It couldn't be a solution that one animal species live in a well-looking exhibit during the day and another species has to live in poor and small cages out of sight of the visitors and then they change their enclosures at the beginning in the evening and change it again in the morning.
But to be fair I must say: There are zoos with bigger size than Fuengirola, but where animals have still less space.
This part of Yassa's quote is exactly the point:
"In Fuengirola, most enclosures are much too small, and I hope very much the expansion in Valencia will not copy the asian-theme enclosures from Fuengirola.. just that you CAN keep so many large animals on 2 ha doesn`t mean you should."
To Fuengirola and its size and way to show larger animals such Tigers and Orangs you can also mention: The immersion(and illusion)-like exhibits are well done. But the share-system, that you can find often there is really not the clue: It couldn't be a solution that one animal species live in a well-looking exhibit during the day and another species has to live in poor and small cages out of sight of the visitors and then they change their enclosures at the beginning in the evening and change it again in the morning.
But to be fair I must say: There are zoos with bigger size than Fuengirola, but where animals have still less space.
I visited valencia bioparc last week, and it was a great zoo! I really liked the way the enclosures are build, the way multiple species live in one enclosure, absolutely love it!
And I read parts of the discussion, why should bioparc house more large animals? They have enough already, elephants, giraffes, rhino's, hippo's ( I peaked around the corner, and saw a hippo feeding in a stable, while it's new exhibit is almost completed). It would a pity however if other parts of the zoo don't get the attention and importance afrika was given. That's something zoom gelsenkirchen has done better ( the attention for other continents that is, the park itself cannot even compete with bioparc).
And I read parts of the discussion, why should bioparc house more large animals? They have enough already, elephants, giraffes, rhino's, hippo's ( I peaked around the corner, and saw a hippo feeding in a stable, while it's new exhibit is almost completed). It would a pity however if other parts of the zoo don't get the attention and importance afrika was given. That's something zoom gelsenkirchen has done better ( the attention for other continents that is, the park itself cannot even compete with bioparc).
@Johnny: You gave the answer by yourself. Because (in general) large(r) animals draw more attention. In Gelsenkirchen "Alaska" has kodiakbears, polarbears, wolves and moose, "Asien" will have orang-utans and bactrian camels. So those zoo parts they can compete with "Afrika".
I agree so far that bioparc doesn't "need" an exhibit (and the space) for e.g. one-horned rhino when they still have white rhinos. But for Valencias "South American" and "Asian" parts, there are still large(r) animals that are different to the "african giants" AND are however very interesting for ordinary visitors such as tigers, tapirs, sloth bears, orang-utan, jaguars, guanacos a.s.o.
I agree so far that bioparc doesn't "need" an exhibit (and the space) for e.g. one-horned rhino when they still have white rhinos. But for Valencias "South American" and "Asian" parts, there are still large(r) animals that are different to the "african giants" AND are however very interesting for ordinary visitors such as tigers, tapirs, sloth bears, orang-utan, jaguars, guanacos a.s.o.
What I meant was that bioparc already has 'the crowd-pleasers'. Bioparc would do wise if they housed smaller animals in the other continents. This way they could house more animals and have more exhibits, and for example small monkeys could be housed in a walkthrough theme, and be very attractive towards children.
Because of the space africa already occupies, other continents would be dissapointing if you start housing large animals here, beacause you would expect other continents to have the same diversion. For instance, africa in bioparc has three theme-zones. this way, no other continent can reach the same potential africa has. And indeed, if you compare it to zoom, africa is the largest continent here, but alaska and asia have enough space to be equally surprising. If that will be the case in bioparc with such limited space for the new continents is doubtful.
Because of the space africa already occupies, other continents would be dissapointing if you start housing large animals here, beacause you would expect other continents to have the same diversion. For instance, africa in bioparc has three theme-zones. this way, no other continent can reach the same potential africa has. And indeed, if you compare it to zoom, africa is the largest continent here, but alaska and asia have enough space to be equally surprising. If that will be the case in bioparc with such limited space for the new continents is doubtful.
I guess we have the same opinion, but looking from different angles.
What I meant is that there WOULD BE interesting large(r) animals for Bioparcs "South America" and "Asia". But as @Yassa said, I don't think that the remaining 2 ha are enough to exhibit them (or at least one for each continent).
Yes, you are absolutely right: A walk-thru-Monkey-Island could be as (or even more) interesting for ordinary visitors as a Tiger exhibit.
But there is one thing, you are wrong. You wrote: "For instance, africa in bioparc has three theme-zones. this way, no other continent can reach the same potential africa has". Asia has Wetlands, Tropical Rainforest, Mountains, Deserts and Semideserts, Savannahs but ALSO has wooded Taiga, Tundra and polar coasts which are missing in Africa.
What I meant is that there WOULD BE interesting large(r) animals for Bioparcs "South America" and "Asia". But as @Yassa said, I don't think that the remaining 2 ha are enough to exhibit them (or at least one for each continent).
Yes, you are absolutely right: A walk-thru-Monkey-Island could be as (or even more) interesting for ordinary visitors as a Tiger exhibit.
But there is one thing, you are wrong. You wrote: "For instance, africa in bioparc has three theme-zones. this way, no other continent can reach the same potential africa has". Asia has Wetlands, Tropical Rainforest, Mountains, Deserts and Semideserts, Savannahs but ALSO has wooded Taiga, Tundra and polar coasts which are missing in Africa.
The only one habitat in the range of themed Asia-America will be "rainforest" not savannah or other,therefore will be easier to build 2 Hectares of "jungle" for animals from the 2 continents, and not to make several habitats on every continent.But this are only my owner suppositions.
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