Also, if I'm not wrong, these Hyenas that came from Cuba were actually captured in the wild, right? this way their genetic is really important, and worth it to keep breeding them in MX.
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Also, if I'm not wrong, these Hyenas that came from Cuba were actually captured in the wild, right? this way their genetic is really important, and worth it to keep breeding them in MX.
That's interesting... You're probably right, they might have arrived sometime before 1975, so weren't registred... This one imported to Mexico might be part of the offspring of the individuals kept in São Paulo, indeed...
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How strange, considering that we were discussing hyenas moving between Mexico and Brazil, that is fascinating.
I wouldn't consider this possibility at first, once I don't think AZAB's rules would be in favor of having wild captured animals (especially the ones in Cuba, wich for what I know, don't have an specific motive for having been captured) being kept in the filiated institutions (haven't read the exact regulation of the association, but I would tend to consider so). Otherwise, offspring of hyenas from this namibian animals group in la Habana were sent to Mexico, as said @carlos55 ; so I wouldn't also consider impossible to have offspring from any of these species in Cuba's zoo being sent to any of the brazilian zoos.
It takes 2 hours and a half to go from Mexico City to Havana by plane.
Mexican zoos sent surplus fallow deer, sika deer, and auodad ( all very common in zoos here) to the Havana zoos in late 2018, along with some white tigers. In return they havE received African leopards , grant s zebra, spotted and brown hyenas. It was quite a bargain for the Mexican zoos.
Remember that Namibia sent all the animals to Cuba in gratitude for years of service by Cuban doctors, nurses and vets in Africa. Bolsonaro expelled all the Cuban doctors in Brazil. So , estimado Enzo, no exchange between the Brazilian and the Havana zoos is likely for political reasons.
Mexican zoos sent surplus fallow deer, sika deer, and auodad ( all very common in zoos here) to the Havana zoos in late 2018, along with some white tigers. In return they havE received African leopards , grant s zebra, spotted and brown hyenas. It was quite a bargain for the Mexican zoos.
Remember that Namibia sent all the animals to Cuba in gratitude for years of service by Cuban doctors, nurses and vets in Africa. Bolsonaro expelled all the Cuban doctors in Brazil. So , estimado Enzo, no exchange between the Brazilian and the Havana zoos is likely for political reasons.
Onychorhynchus coronatus
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I think that when it comes down to it the overall relationship between Cuba and Brazil right now and especially given the current Brazilian administration and their rhetoric against Cuba is just not going to do any favours whatsoever for anything like trade.
So I would think it very unlikely indeed that anything like that could be set up.
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Yes, totally agree Carlos, it is just not going to happen in the current climate.
It’s interesting that this thread is about brown hyenas, but from skim reading it no one has brought up the fact that until about 7 or 8 years ago port lympne was one of the only places in Europe (definitely in the uk) that actually held the species. Just thought it was bringing up.
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Onychorhynchus coronatus
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Yes, but the foundation rewilded these didn't it ?
Whereas the Mexican zoos are maintaining and breeding them.
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The original topic question was whether there were brown hyenas kept in the US and Canada but then it quickly evolved into where they are kept in other parts of the world and particularly in Mexico (the North American country that typically never gets mentioned alongside the US or Canada).
The Port Lympne hyenas are not really too significant IMO because they ended up being rewilded by the Aspinall foundation whereas the Mexican hyenas are still maintained and being bred and I believe Mexico now constitutes the largest holder country of this species outside of Africa.
The Port Lympne hyenas are not really too significant IMO because they ended up being rewilded by the Aspinall foundation whereas the Mexican hyenas are still maintained and being bred and I believe Mexico now constitutes the largest holder country of this species outside of Africa.
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Ah yes, so I bet the hyenas in Lympne didn't let any offspring in captive? How many individuals were they?
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Onychorhynchus coronatus
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Judging by all threads that I read there were three offspring I believe ?
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Onychorhynchus coronatus
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There were a litter of three born according to news reports in the 2010's but yes I think these were transferred to a South African reserve and didn't remain in captivity.
I have to correct you on this @carlos55 thankfully not all of the Cubans have left Brazil though they have been stuck in limbo and faced difficulties and a moronic and ignorant self defeating prejudice from the establishment. There will be more arriving in the future.
Actually one of my significant others colleagues in work in the favelas with community medicine and a close friend of ours is a Cubana.
They are vastly superior and disciplined / professional doctors to those trained in Brazil (many of whom only enter medicine for the money and social status that comes with it) and Brazil certainly needs them and always will.
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Is there much interest for this species as display animals? I hold them here in South Africa as well as a few other private collections. This is such a fantastic species to display, it seems a big pity not more Zoos are exhibiting them.
Indeed, Chlidonias, you are right. In 1972, São Paulo Zoo received a brown hyena from either the Smithsonian, Montreal, Berlin, Frankfurt, or Helsinki:
Jornal do Brasil (RJ) - 1970 a 1979 - DocReader Web
I'm almost certain that it was the only one held by São Paulo in its history, so I suppose it was born in captivity long before being sent to Brazil.
The 1988 International Zoo Yearbook listed 1.1 brown hyenas in Brazil back in 1982. 1.1 were born in 1983, but I guess they passed away not very long after birth (breeding brown hyenas was noticeably difficult in the past).