frankwilliam
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yes STEVE you have made fair comment , we just hope no harm comes to either Jumbo or the people working with her getting her to AMERICA , good luck to all concerned because they are going to need it
Franklin Zoo (Closed) Elephant Kills Woman at Franklin Zoo
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Bruce Mountain
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Coud anybody give me an update of the other animals from FZ. Where did the Capuchins go? What happened to Jungle the hand reared capuchin? I ran the zoo for a couple of years before Helen took over. We have offered to help on several occasions but Jenny was not very friendly.
Coud anybody give me an update of the other animals from FZ. Where did the Capuchins go? What happened to Jungle the hand reared capuchin? I ran the zoo for a couple of years before Helen took over. We have offered to help on several occasions but Jenny was not very friendly.
Have a look at the Mammals in New Zealand zoos thread which is stickied at the top. RoseZondag gives an idea where all the animals are going.
Animalgeek
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The Capuchins have all gone to Mogo zoo and Barda the spider monkey will soon be going to Orana wildlife park any more questions please feel free to ask.
Bruce Mountain
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This is on the Harcourts website. I find it amazing that it is still being promoted as a potential zoo. Misleading as you have no options of getting the animals. Even funnier is that Jenny is asking for approx 1.5 million for it.
Helen only paid approx 1 million for it with all the animals. The previous owner only paid half that amount.
Is being offered up for SALE.
With the sad loss of Dr Helen Schofield the land and buildings are being offered for sale. An opportunity has arisen for all interested parties to come forward and place their offers.
All animals have found new homes within New Zealand and overseas, the new owners will need to restock and obtain their own licenses to continue as per MPI (Formerly MAF) and Council requirements (this is solely the responsibility of the new owners).
This facility has been operating as a wild life sanctuary for the last 7 years and has been open to the public 7 days a week. Visitors comprise of families, schools, tourists (signs still on the motorway), group bookings and education programmes. These lovely park-like surrounds have also been used as wedding venue, educational centre for children, students and adults, somewhere for families to picnic and gatherings of all different varieties. The facility is well known and established throughout the local community and Auckland and Waikato regions with motorway signage, schools and educational facilities, elderly groups and tourists. The new owners will benefit from a well established and cherished facility.
This is an opportunity to develop the property in the future for the right person or group to bring the Zoo/Sanctuary back to life and developing it to its full potential.
The the past the Zoo has been home to many species of animals, elephant, zebra, emu, deer, ilana, primates, birds and reptiles cared for by Unitec CWA qualified staff, vets and many volunteers. The sanctuary has been vital for animals that required special housing and/or needs when there was nowhere else for them to go. This was the only facility of its kind in New Zealand.
According to this article (Bombay - Property - NZ Herald News), Mark Vette sold the zoo to the Schofields for $850,000.
I have been following this thread for a while and what has amazed me is how many people on this site have spent so much time trashing a group of people who have been working so hard to find homes for animals no one else wanted, including Mila. NO ONE ELSE WANTED THESE ANIMALS!
Jenny Chung lost her sister. She has been working non-stop to make sure all of the animals at the zoo have good homes. She could have taken the easy route and sold the zoo full of animals... but she didn’t. The reason: because she did not want the fate of the animals in the zoo to be left to some random person who bought the property. Yes, it would have sold faster, but what she did was done with the animals in mind, not what was easier for her. That takes a lot of courage. If you people knew Jenny, you would NEVER say such imbecilic trash. She has been dealing with so much grief, and all you people have been doing is trashing her. Instead of crucifying Jenny and her staff, why don’t you say thank you. Thank you for being a responsible and making sure the animals that have educated the youth of NZ find good homes, with people that know what they are doing.
@Bruce Mountain- why do you or anyone else on this site care how much Jenny and the rest of the trustees sell the zoo for? If you were in the industry, you would know that no one gets rich from a property like this. What does it matter if they sell it for 500,000 or 3 million? It has nothing to do with you. Jungle, you mean the capuchin that was raised like a pet and kept on a short leash in the house along with one other monkey? Are you that person? Because if you are, there is a reason she will not give you Jungle. It is because that is not an appropriate life for a capuchin! Jungle has two other capuchins that she has bonded with, why on earth would they give her back to someone who clearly has no idea that a monkey is not a trained pet. Jungle deserves a better life than that.
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Mila- mentioned a lot. Why do you people have an issue with Mila going to a new home where she can be with other elephants? Why should she be condemned to live a solitary life? You all keep mentioning her other trainer… HE SOLD HER. Do not forget that. All of you people have so many opinions on what should be done, or what they are doing that is wrong. You make assumptions that Mila has been a cash cow… really… with what proof? The fact that a zoo that has to close because they can’t afford to keep it running, and get Mila to a new home should demonstrate she is no cash cow. If you think a few months of fundraising is enough to allow for the rehoming of all the animals and Mila, then you must really have a lot of faith that those five and ten dollar donations have really added up.
@Frank Williams- The days of “elephant boys” are in the past where they belong. The reason; because using an electric shock through a hose is not an appropriate way to train an elephant. It is not ok to chain them up and beat the elephants to establish dominance. It is not ok to leave an elephant chained in a trailer for 15 hours… let alone 23. If you think the good old days are the way to manage elephants, then it is a good thing you must be 70 or 80. When you talk about elephant men and how they really knew how to handle their elephants… what you really mean is those guys sure knew how to beat them into submission.
Jenny Chung lost her sister. She has been working non-stop to make sure all of the animals at the zoo have good homes. She could have taken the easy route and sold the zoo full of animals... but she didn’t. The reason: because she did not want the fate of the animals in the zoo to be left to some random person who bought the property. Yes, it would have sold faster, but what she did was done with the animals in mind, not what was easier for her. That takes a lot of courage. If you people knew Jenny, you would NEVER say such imbecilic trash. She has been dealing with so much grief, and all you people have been doing is trashing her. Instead of crucifying Jenny and her staff, why don’t you say thank you. Thank you for being a responsible and making sure the animals that have educated the youth of NZ find good homes, with people that know what they are doing.
@Bruce Mountain- why do you or anyone else on this site care how much Jenny and the rest of the trustees sell the zoo for? If you were in the industry, you would know that no one gets rich from a property like this. What does it matter if they sell it for 500,000 or 3 million? It has nothing to do with you. Jungle, you mean the capuchin that was raised like a pet and kept on a short leash in the house along with one other monkey? Are you that person? Because if you are, there is a reason she will not give you Jungle. It is because that is not an appropriate life for a capuchin! Jungle has two other capuchins that she has bonded with, why on earth would they give her back to someone who clearly has no idea that a monkey is not a trained pet. Jungle deserves a better life than that.
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Mila- mentioned a lot. Why do you people have an issue with Mila going to a new home where she can be with other elephants? Why should she be condemned to live a solitary life? You all keep mentioning her other trainer… HE SOLD HER. Do not forget that. All of you people have so many opinions on what should be done, or what they are doing that is wrong. You make assumptions that Mila has been a cash cow… really… with what proof? The fact that a zoo that has to close because they can’t afford to keep it running, and get Mila to a new home should demonstrate she is no cash cow. If you think a few months of fundraising is enough to allow for the rehoming of all the animals and Mila, then you must really have a lot of faith that those five and ten dollar donations have really added up.
@Frank Williams- The days of “elephant boys” are in the past where they belong. The reason; because using an electric shock through a hose is not an appropriate way to train an elephant. It is not ok to chain them up and beat the elephants to establish dominance. It is not ok to leave an elephant chained in a trailer for 15 hours… let alone 23. If you think the good old days are the way to manage elephants, then it is a good thing you must be 70 or 80. When you talk about elephant men and how they really knew how to handle their elephants… what you really mean is those guys sure knew how to beat them into submission.
zooboy28
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After a very long time of very little actual news about Mila (as opposed to periodic rants on the subject), this snippet has come up: Erin Ivory, who is looking after Mila at Franklin Zoo, will be giving a talk on elephant management at an upcoming Zoological Society of Auckland seminar.
Details on the Zoological Society of Auckland facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.p...6472974661.288977.335512704660&type=1&theater
Poster about seminar:
Details on the Zoological Society of Auckland facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.p...6472974661.288977.335512704660&type=1&theater
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I could never understand why Auckland Zoo didn't just take her in the first place, they already have the facilities to house two elephants, they have a large natural elephant enclosure, and skilled elephant zoo keepers to look after her.
At the time the Auckland Zoo director said it was impossibke to keep Indian and African elephants together becaus of behavior differences, and the fact that African elephants carried deseases that Indian elephants were not imune to.
However Africna and Indian elephants are kept together at a number of zoos around the world with no problems, I have spoken to several elephant zoo keepers with experience in looking after both species and they say in captivity there is no real difference between the behavious or the two.
As for diseases, well Mila has bene away from Africa for well over 30 years, unlikely she is carrying any disease that is going to affect an Indian elephant.
If they had put her in the Auckland Zoo when she was first relased from the Circus she would have almost certainly settled in well by now, and enjoying the company of the first similar sized and shaped friend she has ever had. Helen would still be alive and looking after her monkeys and emus.
And all the fuss and crap over moving one elephant that is smaller than a shipping container would be averted.
At the time the Auckland Zoo director said it was impossibke to keep Indian and African elephants together becaus of behavior differences, and the fact that African elephants carried deseases that Indian elephants were not imune to.
However Africna and Indian elephants are kept together at a number of zoos around the world with no problems, I have spoken to several elephant zoo keepers with experience in looking after both species and they say in captivity there is no real difference between the behavious or the two.
As for diseases, well Mila has bene away from Africa for well over 30 years, unlikely she is carrying any disease that is going to affect an Indian elephant.
If they had put her in the Auckland Zoo when she was first relased from the Circus she would have almost certainly settled in well by now, and enjoying the company of the first similar sized and shaped friend she has ever had. Helen would still be alive and looking after her monkeys and emus.
And all the fuss and crap over moving one elephant that is smaller than a shipping container would be averted.
Auckland Zoo Animals Moved To New Homes After Death... | Stuff.co.nz
"...but said they would start fundraising soon to pay for the cost of rehoming Mila." -- isn't this what they were supposed to have been doing for the past year?!
"...but said they would start fundraising soon to pay for the cost of rehoming Mila." -- isn't this what they were supposed to have been doing for the past year?!
Time is running out for the milking of this cash cow.
zooboy28
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No, they have been raising money for her care at Franklin Zoo, including hiring the elephant manager, as well as caring for the other animals that were there. At least, that is what they will say when asked. I'm thinking there will be a big appeal, quite possibly supported by local animal welfare charities, in the next couple of months to pay for Mila's rehoming (and associated costs...).
I went to the seminar last night (was anyone else on here there?) and after some pretty distressing facts and footage about poaching, methods of training that have been used, etc, it was pretty refreshing to see the video of PC training in action, both of other animals and of Mila / Jumbo. I'm only partway through reading this very epic and messy thread in more detail, but the bottom line as far as I can see it is that for now at least Mila / Jumbo is being well cared for and seems to be fairly relaxed and comfortable with the way things are going. However things turn out in the future, this is a good thing for the present.
Even if the diseases weren't a concern, Auckland Zoo wouldn't take her for several reasons. If Mila and Burma did not get along, the only place they could be separated would be in the elephant house. And if Auckland Zoo did take Mila, and she did get along with Burma, I'm rather certain that Auckland Zoo would not take the chance of handling Mila hands-on like they do with Burma. This means that no keepers would be able to enter the enclosure while the elephants are in there (as the elephant house is the only area where protected contact is available).
jbnbsn99
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Ladies and gentlemen, this thread has gotten seriously out of hand. I have deleted most of the comments made over the last few months. Personal vendettas will not be tolerated on here. If this thread cannot be continued in a civil fashion, I will be closing it permanently.
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