Great Hoof-Stock/Antelope Enclosures/Collection

Sacramento zoo:

Nilgai (phased out )
River hippo (phased out )
Arabian oryx (phased out)
Dama gazelle (phased out)
Addax (phased out)
Red river hog
Yellow backed duiker
Eastern bongo
Masai giraffe
Reticulated giraffe

like i said about my la zoo hoofstock post, i miss diverse ungulate collections and it was a horrible choice to phase those creatures out :(

does anybody else know what else the sacramento zoo had hoofstock wise ?
 
Oakland Zoo:

Common eland
Roan antelope (phased out)
American bison
Sika deer
Tule elk
Black rhinoceros (phased out)
Indian muntjac
Reeves muntjac
Common warthog
Dama gazelle
Plains zebra

does anybody else know what hoofstock the sacramento zoo had ?
 
San Francisco Zoo:

Giant eland
Gunther's dik-dik
Greater kudu
Blackbuck (currently off exhibet)
Musk ox (phased out)
River hippo
Reticulated giraffe
Grants zebra
Scimitar horned oryx
Brazilian tapir (phased out)
Rocky mountain goat (phased out)
American bison (phased out)
Cape buffalo (phased out)
Asiatic water buffalo (phased out)
Pygmy hippo (phased out)
Dromedary camel (phased out)
Bactrian camel (phased out)
Indian rhino
Mountain tapir

does anybody else know what other ungulates were at the san francisco zoo ?
 
Fresno Zoo:

Malayan tapir
Chacoan peccary
River hippo (phased out)
White rhino (phased out)
Scimitar horned oryx
Plains zebra
Reticulated giraffe
Addax
Dromedary camel
Common warthog
Greater malay chevrotain
Llama

does anybody else know what other ungulates were at the fresno zoo ?
 
SF had sable antelope, okapi, aoudad, nilgai, Indian muntjac and yellow-backed duiker in the distant past
 
really ?, how long ago was this ?, and what currently occupies there enclosures ?, and most of all sable antelope, okapi, aoudad, nilgai, indian muntjac, and yellow backed duiker are such amazing creatures, why the heck would they phase out such animals ?
 
ungulate nerd said:
really ?, how long ago was this ?, and what currently occupies there enclosures ?, and most of all sable antelope, okapi, aoudad, nilgai, indian muntjac, and yellow backed duiker are such amazing creatures, why the heck would they phase out such animals ?
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Mostly ancient history (late 60s, early 70s) Sable were in one of the paddocks in the area now occupied by "Grizzly Gulch" and the "mountain" of ugly rocks in that exhibit were once inhabited by aoudads. A lone okapi once lived in with the giraffes in their old African Plains exhibit, and saiga were housed in pens on the site of the 1967 "African Scene" (rhinos, elephants, hippo, Pygmy hippo).

Yellow-backed duikers were much more recently exhibited--they were supposed to go in the new African Savanna, but I only saw them in the chain link paddock next to the axis deer exhibit in the middle of the zoo.
 
The future

Unfortunately, I think this trend will continue and even more zoos will phase out much of the hoof-stock. The problem is that you average person just does not find hoof-stock interesting anymore. We all love them but we are not your average people when it comes to zoos and animals. Zoos need to break even or better, and now some animals just are not pulling their weight and have to go (in the zoos opinion). Also many zoos need the space for other animals they feel will draw bigger crowds.
 
like a lot of us zoo chatters, my dream in the future is to start my own zoo. my zoo will specialize in ungulates, just the hoofstock section alone in my future zoo will take up 50 acres of the park. as a future zoo owner, my motto is its not my job to indulge the demand of the general public, it is my job to show them what they want. and hoofstock are very interesting and astonishing and the public needs to understand that they have a purpose on this earth and there are many endangered and threatened ungulates that will greatly benefit from breeding programs that i will have, i want exotic hoofstock species to stay around for generations and genertions and so on to come, i refuse to follow in the footsteps of other zoos in phasing out hoofstock and even having very small collections of them, like another zoochatter was saying, the only ungulates you will ever see in zoos these days are grevys zebras, reticulated giraffes and bongos, and like he said it gets old. so leave it to someone like us to show ungulate diversity, i am just passionate about this issue and cant stress it enough
 
32qthe zoo i want to start in the future, the LONG BEACH ZOO, here is the hoofstock collection i am planning on having

Gazelle grottos-

Springbok
Blackbuck
Red fronted gazelle
Thomsons gazelle
Dorcas gazelle
Cuviers gazelle
Mountain gazelle
Slender horned gazelle
Persian goitered gazelle
Gerenuk
Addra gazelle
Mohrr gazelle
Grants gazelle
Soemmerrings gazelle
Saiga

Oryx Grottos-

Addax
Roan antelope
Sable antelope
Arabian oryx
Scimitar horned oryx
Beisa oryx
Fringe eared oryx

Rhino grottos-

Indian rhino
Sumatran rhino
Eastern black rhino
Southern white rhino

Hippo grottos-

River hippo
Pygmy hippo

Tapir grottos-

Brazilian tapir
Bairds tapir
Mountain tapir
Malayan tapir

Elk grottos-

Fallow deer
Persian fallow deer
Barasingha
Elds deer
Pere davids deer
Hog deer
Calamian deer
Bawean deer
Malayan sambar
Javan rusa
Visayan spotted deer
Thorolds deer
Formosan sika deer
Vietnamese sika deer
Manchurian sika deer
Roosevelt elk
Tule elk
Barbary red deer
Bactrian wapiti
Altai wapiti

Muntjac Grottos-

Indian muntjac
Reeves muntjac
Chinese water deer
Siberian musk deer
Tufted deer

Ibex Grottos-

Mishmi takin
Sichuan takin
Musk ox
Aoudad
West caucasian tur
East Caucasian tur
Cretan wild goat
Tadjik markhor
Alpine ibex
Spanish ibex
Siberian ibex
Himalayan tahr
Nilgiri tahr
Desert bighorn sheep
Rocky mountain bighorn sheep
Dall sheep
Transcaspian urial
Armenian mouflon
European mouflon
Siberian bighorn sheep
Bharal

Goral Grottos-

Japanese serow
Formosan serow
Long tailed goral
Rocky mountain goat
Alpine chamois

Giraffe Grottos-

Okapi
Giraffe
Common pronghorn

Buffalo Grottos-

Asian water buffalo
Lowland anoa
Mountain anoa
Javan banteng
Gaur
Domestic yak
Cape buffalo
African forest buffalo
Wood bison
Plains bison
European bison
Watusi cattle

Kudu Grottos-

Lowland bongo
Mountain bongo
Greater kudu
Lesser kudu
Bushbuck
Nyala
Sitatunga
Common eland
Giant eland
Nilgai

Peccary Grottos-

Collared peccary
White lipped peccary
Chacoan peccary

Pig Grottos-

North sulawesi babirusa
Southern bushpig
Red river hog
Common warthog
Desert warthog
Bornean bearded pig
Visayan warty pig
Central european wild boar

Camel grottos-

Llama
Dromedary camel
Bactrian camel
Alpaca
Guanaco
Vicuna

Horse Grottos-

Przewalski's horse
Somali wild ass
Kiang
Persian onager
Grevys zebra
Grants zebra
Hartmann's mountain zebra
Chapman's zebra
Damara zebra

Wildebeest Grottos-

Blue wildebeest
Black wildebeest
Topi
Bontebok
Blesbok
Hartebeest
Red hartebeest

Dik-Dik Grottos-

Gunthers dik-dik
Cavendish's dik-dik
Salts dik-dik
Suni
Royal antelope
Oribi
Klipspringer
Steenbok

Deer grottos-

Mule deer
White tailed deer
Southern pudu
Pampas deer
Marsh deer
Gray brocket
Red brocket
Moose
Woodland caribou

Impala Grottos-

Defassa waterbuck
Uganda kob
Red lechwe
Kafue lechwe
Nile lechwe
Mountain reedbuck
Black faced impala
Common impala
Vaal rhebok

Mouse deer house-

Greater malay chevrotain
Lesser malay chevrotain

Duiker grottos-

Yellow backed duiker
Black duiker
Jentinks duiker
Red flanked duiker
along with other duiker species

but i want to have more hoofstock species at a breeding center and holding facility for the long beach zoo, i even created a facebook page for that facility i am still working on the plans as we speak check it out Open this zoo, Saddleback Valley Conservation Center | Facebook

and tell me what you guys think of my collection for long beach zoo
thanks
- ungulate nerd
 
@ungulate nerd - to say that would be a great hoofstock collection is certainly an understatement. At least you would have a lot of ZooChatters visit your facility. The only one on the list that puzzles me is llama. When their wild relative the guanaco is fairly easy to obtain, why are you excluding them in favor of a domestic animal (the llama)?
 
@ungulate nerd - Ditto to what Arizona Docent said, but I would suggest changing all the names from "grottos." It has a very negative connotation to it.
 
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@ ungulate nerd - It looks like you are shooting for El Dorado Park in Long Beach (California, USA). That would be ideal - I would really love to see this come about. A large regional park with lots of undeveloped land and located right at the intersection of two very busy freeways (405 & 605). A megalopolis (if that is a word) the size of Los Angeles could really use a second major zoo. Anyone who has been to the Los Angeles Zoo on a nice weather weekend knows that it is insanely crowded - to the point of being unenjoyable. There definitely needs to be a second facility to at least ease the congestion. If you focus on ungulates and manage to get even half the species you list, I think it would be different enough from L.A. Zoo to give people a reason to visit. Would also contrast nicely with the (much smaller) nearby Santa Ana Zoo, which has a focus on monkeys.
 
tschandler71 said:
Why did San Diego do that? What is the justification of it, and where did those animals go?
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I went back three pages on this thread and saw no reference to San Diego. Do you mean why did San Francisco do that (get rid of much of their hoofstock) or are you referring to some entry pages back in this thread?
 
Arizona Docent said:
I went back three pages on this thread and saw no reference to San Diego. Do you mean why did San Francisco do that (get rid of much of their hoofstock) or are you referring to some entry pages back in this thread?
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Typo, but it seems the San Diego Zoo and WAP have decreased their collection greatly as well. why would administrators break up great collections they already had, to give us the same 10/15 species at every zoo?

And where are all these rare animals? And what incentive does the average person have to travel to these notable zoos when pretty much everyone is exhibiting Grants Zebra, Retic Giraffe, Red River Hog, Tommy Gazelle, and Kudu. I mean I can see them in Birmingham, so why are so many zoos consolidating to the same 10 or so boring species, and losing some great and rare finds?
 
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