Natural History Museum Guy the Gorilla back on display

Whilst I found the dog display at Tring fascinating I was saddened by the big groups of Great Apes displayed , many very young . These would all have been shot in the wild . At least that was not how Guy died - though probably his mother and possibly other members of his wild family group would have died when he was collected .
 
I remember seeing someone from the The Isle of Wight Zoo at, I think a museum, looking at the skins of their deceased tigers. It was probably on the programme 'Tiger Island', but I can't remember the details, other than some sort of study was being done.
 
This is an interesting subject. Apes are so close to humans that it brings on the subject of displaying human remains. Copito de Nieve the albino gorilla at Barcelona Zoo was not stuffed. Instead the zoo has a statue of him.

I can understand different people/organisations having different views about the taxidermy of our nearest relations and why this can therefore be an emotive issue. A number of zoos have statues made of their most famous Gorilla but the dead animal has also become a museum display too e.g. Guy, Alfred (Bristol Zoo), (probably) Jambo at Jersey, also Bushman and Phil (Chicago and St Louis Zoos, USA), possibly 'Bobby' at Berlin also. Edinburgh have a statue of their early Sumatran Orangutan family but the mounted animals are also in the Edinburgh museum.

One person I am sure would never have considered such an outcome for his Apes was the late John Aspinall- I believe all the Gorillas that have died at his two collections are buried there as they were very much regarded as part of his extended family. There is also a statue of one of their earlier males 'Gugis' near the Gorilla enclosures at Howletts.

I think if I was emotionally involved with any of the animals e.g. as keeper or owner then I probably wouldn't want that to happen to them either. I must admit to have a slightly uneasy feeling about the idea of a stuffed 'Jambo'.
 
I was saddened by the big groups of Great Apes displayed , many very young . These would all have been shot in the wild . At least that was not how Guy died - though probably his mother and possibly other members of his wild family group would have died when he was collected .

Unfortunately it was all too common in those days- a number of other big museums around the World have similar 'family' group displays of Apes as Tring. Thankfully at least Gorillas/Apes are not(normally) merely shot as trophies anymore.
 
I don’t think that there is any definite proof that the mounted quagga that Rothschild purchased from Frank, was the same specimen that Frank acquired from the Amsterdam Zoology Museum (i.e. the ex-Knowsley animal) but it seems unlikely that Frank had two different specimens of the extinct quagga.

I'd agree with that theory too.
 
With all due respect, this is a Natural History Museum thread for discussion of the reappearance of Guy the gorilla; there are plenty of London threads for discussing the current gorillas there.


I haven't been to the NHM in years; I'd be quite tempted to call in on such a famous zoo animal though.

Which you are entitled to do, did you ever visit Guy when he was alive and well at London zoo?
 
I can understand different people/organisations having different views about the taxidermy of our nearest relations and why this can therefore be an emotive issue. A number of zoos have statues made of their most famous Gorilla but the dead animal has also become a museum display too e.g. Guy, Alfred (Bristol Zoo), (probably) Jambo at Jersey, also Bushman and Phil (Chicago and St Louis Zoos, USA), possibly 'Bobby' at Berlin also. Edinburgh have a statue of their early Sumatran Orangutan family but the mounted animals are also in the Edinburgh museum.

One person I am sure would never have considered such an outcome for his Apes was the late John Aspinall- I believe all the Gorillas that have died at his two collections are buried there as they were very much regarded as part of his extended family. There is also a statue of one of their earlier males 'Gugis' near the Gorilla enclosures at Howletts.

I think if I was emotionally involved with any of the animals e.g. as keeper or owner then I probably wouldn't want that to happen to them either. I must admit to have a slightly uneasy feeling about the idea of a stuffed 'Jambo'.
I am sure Mr. Aspinall would not have done this, he had far to much respect for his fellow creatures
 
Which you are entitled to do, did you ever visit Guy when he was alive and well at London zoo?

Never had the chance I'm afraid - I wasn't born until 6 years after he died.
 
Well then , you couldn't have had any affinity with Guy could you?, how would you feel seeing one of your favourite zoo animals being exhibited in this fashion?, that is if you have ever had any favourite.
 
Well then , you couldn't have had any affinity with Guy could you?, how would you feel seeing one of your favourite zoo animals being exhibited in this fashion?, that is if you have ever had any favourite.

I'm not someone who generally gets sentimental about individual zoo animals, you're correct with that implication. I think (as with taxidermy of deceased pets) it's a decision for those who looked after the animal.

To be honest, if I did care that much about an animal I'd be happy to see something of it preserved.
 
I very much remember Guy when he was alive, I can’t wait to see him back on display at the NHM. To be honest, I wish more zoo animals ended up on display in museums; it seems a waist to incinerate them when so many museums have faded old moth eaten exhibits.
To digress slightly, it’s interesting the amount of human remains on public display. There are some fantastic catacombs in Palermo (a real subterranean city of the dead) and in Otranto, Italy; they have six hundred skeletons on the walls of the cathedral. For anyone who thinks displaying human remains is a thing of the past check out the Bodyworks exhibitions; they’re amazing.
 
one of my husbands family dogs is at tring but is no longer on display. i have often wondered if zsl take any of the animals to tring...
i guess they wouldnt have to name the animal on display as they have chi chi in london so there may be some there.
 
just thought, in the discovery center at whipsnade they have a stuffed lion in the activity room that i believe was part of their collection.
 
The book 'Buildings of London Zoo' shows a stuffed musk ox in the education building. Don't know if it's still there, maybe it is one of Whipsnade's but could easily be a random acquisition.
 
I very much remember Guy when he was alive, I can’t wait to see him back on display at the NHM. To be honest, I wish more zoo animals ended up on display in museums; it seems a waist to incinerate them when so many museums have faded old moth eaten exhibits.
To digress slightly, it’s interesting the amount of human remains on public display. There are some fantastic catacombs in Palermo (a real subterranean city of the dead) and in Otranto, Italy; they have six hundred skeletons on the walls of the cathedral. For anyone who thinks displaying human remains is a thing of the past check out the Bodyworks exhibitions; they’re amazing.
So would you be happy about yourself being stuffed and mounted as an example of homo sapiens when you depart from this world?
 
So would you be happy about yourself being stuffed and mounted as an example of homo sapiens when you depart from this world?

That's more or less what the Bodyworlds exhibitions are - though the bodies (of volunteers!) are 'plasticised' rather than stuffed. It makes for a fascinating display - I saw one of the exhibitions some years ago in London.
 
To digress slightly, it’s interesting the amount of human remains on public display. There are some fantastic catacombs in Palermo (a real subterranean city of the dead) and in Otranto, Italy; they have six hundred skeletons on the walls of the cathedral.

The Capuchin (monk, not monkey!) Crypt in Rome is similarly decorated and absolutely mesmerising.
 
Capuchin crypt Rome; ok, that’s now on my to do list. Thanks Maguari
 
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