I can't tell how Zoochat feels about the AZA.

birdsandbats said:
Protection of birds from the fashion industry probably isn't something that's needed today, you are correct (although would it be in an alternate history where MBTA wasn't passed? I do not know). But, given the far-reaching wording of the MBTA, I think it is almost certain that any industry which takes or disturbs birds - not only fashion - was what the MBTA was intended to regulate, including windmills. In that, it continues to do its job excellently.
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It didn't do enough to protect birds from wind farms in the first Trump administration. Now wind farms are being punished in favor of the oil industry. Go MBTA!

Lafone said:
I said I thought you wanted to be in that sort of book. Not that you were a book in real life.
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You asked me to quote the people calling me names, and I did. Back tracking isn't a great look.
 
La Cucaracha said:
It didn't do enough to protect birds from wind farms in the first Trump administration. Now wind farms are being punished in favor of the oil industry. Go MBTA!



You asked me to quote the people calling me names, and I did. Back tracking isn't a great look.
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I stand by the statement, however it was nothing to do with your remarks on the AZA - I linked the thread. If you call that name calling 'guy' well so be it. But you haven't produced any evidence anyone here has called you names for your opinions on the AZA. Not a good look indeed.
 
Lafone said:
I stand by the statement, however it was nothing to do with your remarks on the AZA - I linked the thread. If you call that name calling 'guy' well so be it. But you haven't produced any evidence anyone here has called you names for your opinions on the AZA. Not a good look indeed.
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Maybe it's a little hard to understand, but the people that complain about certain animals being taken out of AZA zoos are often the ones that say we don't need wild caught animals because we have a captive-bred population of AZA animals.

Again, how did anybody expect Bornean bearded pigs to survive without more imports?
 
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My thoughts on the AZA: It’s nice that somebody is setting higher standards than the USDA. I imagine people would quibble with the exact standards and the policies of implementation whatever they were. I have not been made aware of any flaws so severe that it would be worth shredding or seriously overhauling the organization.

My thoughts on this thread: Radioactive waste. Someone call the EPA once they reopen.
 
Persephone said:
My thoughts on the AZA: It’s nice that somebody is setting higher standards than the USDA. I imagine people would quibble with the exact standards and the policies of implementation whatever they were. I have not been made aware of any flaws so severe that it would be worth shredding or seriously overhauling the organization.

My thoughts on this thread: Radioactive waste. Someone call the EPA once they reopen.
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I mean if I were to start my own zoo and bred Borneon bearded pigs, the AZA would probably tell me to consider a more generic species if I want to be accredited. Many people, not just myself, find that remiss.
If that's a hot take, then I'm not really sure why this was made its own thread in the first place.
 
Persephone said:
My thoughts on the AZA: It’s nice that somebody is setting higher standards than the USDA. I imagine people would quibble with the exact standards and the policies of implementation whatever they were. I have not been made aware of any flaws so severe that it would be worth shredding or seriously overhauling the organization.

My thoughts on this thread: Radioactive waste. Someone call the EPA once they reopen.
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The AZA’s “gold standard” is complete BS. They gave a “clean accreditation” to the Cheyenne Mountain Zoo, despite containing the Scutes Family Gallery, quite possibly the worst reptile house I’ve ever seen (remember that debate between @Echobeast and @Batto a while back, anybody?). Need I say more?
 
Iguana_Cabana said:
The AZA’s “gold standard” is complete BS. They gave a “clean accreditation” to the Cheyenne Mountain Zoo, despite containing the Scutes Family Gallery, quite possibly the worst reptile house I’ve ever seen (remember that debate between @Echobeast and @Batto a while back, anybody?). Need I say more?
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The Scutes Family Gallery has its... quirks?
I'll just keep it at that since I've only worked at the largest exotic pet store in my state for over two years. :rolleyes: Hardly qualified to comment on... a box turtle, in an arboreal cage?
 
La Cucaracha said:
Everyone knows the AZA isn't a stand alone institution.
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What on earth are you even going on about here?

La Cucaracha said:
It doesn't make it less of a point of contention.
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Okay? But the AZA can't withhold accreditation from zoos just because they want to keep species that the AZA isn't interested in. Which is something that you were heavily implying that they can and will do.
 
Wisp O' Mist said:
What on earth are you even going on about here?



Okay? But the AZA can't withhold accreditation from zoos just because they want to keep species that the AZA isn't interested in. Which is something that you were heavily implying that they can and will do.
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Zoos have lost accreditation for a lot less.
 
Wisp O' Mist said:
I'm not going to hold your hand and spoon feed you, I've told you where the information can be found. Now go and find it yourself, surely you were taught in school how to use a search engine? One that's built into the website itself, no less.
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You said it best.
You can look up the El Paso Zoo yourself. They lost accreditation this year.
 
USZOOfan42 said:
@La Cucaracha this is some petty argument. Well yes, the AZA has some flaws; you need to clearly state them if you want to make an argument. If you are complaining about why others are doing to you? Why do it back? :p
c’mon I thought we learned this back in preschool!
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In fairness to me, this thread was originally just a passing thought posted in the zoo hot takes thread before a mod moved it. I really meant it as an open ended question; who has valid criticisms of the AZA?
It's apparently not enough to agree with other ZooChat users.
 
La Cucaracha said:
You said it best.
You can look up the El Paso Zoo yourself. They lost accreditation this year.
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Deferred maintenance isn't exactly a petty reason for a facility to lose accreditation. While I'm glad that the El Paso Zoo provides excellent care for it's animals, aging infrastructure like a rotting boardwalk is absolutely a public safety hazard and is unacceptable.

More happily, the El Paso Zoo appears to recognize this and was already updating it's facilities when the inspection occurred. If they manage to complete the needed updates before their appeal comes up, I'm sure that the AZA will warmly welcome them back into the fold right then and there.
 
Wisp O' Mist said:
More happily, the El Paso Zoo appears to recognize this and was already updating it's facilities when the inspection occurred. If they manage to complete the needed updates before their appeal comes up, I'm sure that the AZA will warmly welcome them back into the fold then and there.
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I wouldn't exactly call this petty, but as you said, the zoo had already begun addressing this problem and they still lost accreditation.
As countless others in many threads on this website have already said... AZA accreditation is really difficult for small zoos to maintain. It's not for free, either.
That's just the facts.
 
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