Long-overdue Species

Probably captive Roe deer on my end - seen both species wild but neither captive. Similarly lots of the British natives still elude me, although maybe if I scrape together the right itinerary and funding I can make it down to the British Wildlife Centre and change that.
 
I also haven't seen many of our native mammals, unless you go out looking for them they can be quite difficult since many are small, nocturnal, or both.

Off the top of my head, the ones I've confidently seen are:
- Common vole
- House mouse
- Wood mouse
- Brown rat
- Eastern grey squirrel
- Red squirrel
- European rabbit
- European mole
- European hedgehog
- Common pippistrelle (probably seen more bats, but I'd be hopeless at identification)
- Red fox
- European badger
- Harbour seal
- Roe deer
- Red deer
- Bottlenose dolphin
- Risso's dolphin

I think the species I'd like to see the most is either European otter or harbour porpoise.

Ah of course, this makes sense even though the closest ideal mole habitat was at least 2.5 miles from where she saw it.

Now moving onto what species I have still not seen yet:

1) Dromedary camel, perhaps my most embarrassing of them. I hope to finally see them at Tierpark Berlin later this year.
2) Any large crocodilian species other than Alligator mississippiensis & Tomistoma schlegelii but I hope a visit to COTW will increase my list
3) Kudus, I've not seen either species as they have become quite an uncommon sight in the UK but Berlin zoo will fingers crossed help with seeing Greater at least
4) Most Asian deer species such as Barasingha, various sika subspecies, Pere David's (!) amongst others are still missing from my lists but once again the tierpark will help clear this up
It is quite odd how non-existent dromedaries are in the UK, I've also only seen them at Berlin! I wonder why they are so rare here, my best guess is zoos like to use Bactrians as "stand-ins" for their wild counterparts and they may be more cold-hardy as well?
 
Capybara, one of the most common zoo animals across the globe and reasonably common in Australia (12 holders) yet there are no holders in Victoria or in Far North Queensland (places where I have visited zoos the most).

In terms of species I’ve missed Razor Billed Curassow stands out, missed at Melbourne on several visits before it passed away.
 
In my case in the UK I haven't seen quite a few mammals.
I've only ever seen badgers as on the side of the road, haven't seen a red fox in years [none in the UK], Eurasian otters seem more dormant than their popular oriental relations, I haven't seen any of the weasels, shrews, moles, dormouse...
The thing that surprises me most when talking to Britons from outside of London is that many of them have never seen a fox or get excited about seeing one when coming here. Meanwhile, I was kept up last night by the sound of them fighting outside and saw one in my back garden yesterday morning for the fifth time this week! By contrast, I get excited by kites and egrets only to be informed by locals that they are remarkably common.
 
One not too uncommon species I don't think I've ever seen in zoos (or in the wild) either is the European roller. I have been to a few of the zoos that currently keep it, but either they've acquired the species after my visit, or the species has not been visible for whatever reason.
 
The thing that surprises me most when talking to Britons from outside of London is that many of them have never seen a fox or get excited about seeing one when coming here. Meanwhile, I was kept up last night by the sound of them fighting outside and saw one in my back garden yesterday morning for the fifth time this week! By contrast, I get excited by kites and egrets only to be informed by locals that they are remarkably common.

Had a great moment with Kites at Hamerton on Saturday it was not long to closing and the foxes had just been fed - we came out from the area where the brown hyenas are and kites were gathering and swooping over the fox space right in front of us - a really big group probably 15 or so. They might be common here and there but I find them stupendous!

Saw cattle egrets on Friday at Welney and was unduly pleased with those I have to say. So I think the excitement over all sorts of common things is justifed!
 
I've only seen two bear species and both aren't usually considered ABCs by many (sloth and Asiatic black bears). I have missed both the sun and Andean bears in Belfast despite spending a lot of time near their enclosures. I've also been unable to go to Edinburgh( quite narrowly )to see their pandas before they leave and the rest of their collection.
 
Capybara, one of the most common zoo animals across the globe and reasonably common in Australia (12 holders) yet there are no holders in Victoria or in Far North Queensland (places where I have visited zoos the most).

In terms of species I’ve missed Razor Billed Curassow stands out, missed at Melbourne on several visits before it passed away.
I didn't see a capybara until I was in my early 40s and it was in a zoo outside of my country.
 
Never seen a live Badger. Lots of dead ones, sadly. Very clearly close by to me but always roadkill.

Never seen a mole, only the hills!

Saw a Mink once (I think) the night the ALF mob released hundreds into the wild from a fur farm in the New Forest.

Something of that type ran across the road in front of us and the colouring didn't match a wild carnivore. Bit of a coincidence, otherwise.

Bloody idiots let them out to "liberate" them only to condemn them to painful starvation and death by car, and then some of them got into Paultons Park and utterly destroyed a notable collection of wildfowl. These people are mental.
 
For me, it's a lot of your safari park staple ungulates - aoudad, barasingha, axis deer, red deer, both Nile and red lechwe. I'm sure there are plenty of places I could go and knock all of those out at once, but I've just never found safari parks particularly compelling.

Collared peccary, North American porcupine, and North American badger all stand out for US species (although not locally native) that I've never come across. Porcupine ought to be crossed off twice over by the end of the year, at least.

For carnivorans, these aren't as common, but I do feel like maned wolf, striped hyena, Pallas's cat, and spectacled bear (as my only missing bear) feel like notable personal omissions. Thankfully, I'll have shots at all four of these by the end of this year.

Lemurs feel like a sorely lacking area for me - my "seen" list amounts to ring-tailed, both ruffed, crowned, collared brown, and aye-aye. Bats are even worse, with only the Egyptian fruit bat, Seba's short-tailed bat, and the large and Rodrigues flying foxes on my list.

Birds are another story entirely, and I have a much worse sense of what's common or even out there than I do with mammals, but off the top of my head, the spectacled owl and nene seem like big ones (again, both are ideally going to be covered this year).

Lastly, the klipspringer feels like a unique case for me. According to the US ungulates thread's last major update, it's only kept at 10 or so zoos, but I've been to three of them and managed to miss it every time.
 
There are several iconic American and California species that I don't recall ever seeing:
  • Grizzly Bear
  • Bald Eagle
  • California Condor
  • Groundhog (I include this because of the annual Groundhog Day here in the USA)
There are several big cats that I haven't seen like a cheetah and black panther. Sadly, I've only seen a lion once over the past 27 years and it was housed in a very small exhibit at America's Teaching Zoo.
 
For me, it's a lot of your safari park staple ungulates - aoudad, barasingha, axis deer, red deer, both Nile and red lechwe. I'm sure there are plenty of places I could go and knock all of those out at once, but I've just never found safari parks particularly compelling.

Collared peccary, North American porcupine, and North American badger all stand out for US species (although not locally native) that I've never come across. Porcupine ought to be crossed off twice over by the end of the year, at least.

For carnivorans, these aren't as common, but I do feel like maned wolf, striped hyena, Pallas's cat, and spectacled bear (as my only missing bear) feel like notable personal omissions. Thankfully, I'll have shots at all four of these by the end of this year.

Lemurs feel like a sorely lacking area for me - my "seen" list amounts to ring-tailed, both ruffed, crowned, collared brown, and aye-aye. Bats are even worse, with only the Egyptian fruit bat, Seba's short-tailed bat, and the large and Rodrigues flying foxes on my list.

Birds are another story entirely, and I have a much worse sense of what's common or even out there than I do with mammals, but off the top of my head, the spectacled owl and nene seem like big ones (again, both are ideally going to be covered this year).

Lastly, the klipspringer feels like a unique case for me. According to the US ungulates thread's last major update, it's only kept at 10 or so zoos, but I've been to three of them and managed to miss it every time.
Just stumbled back upon this thread and am pleased to see that in the year and a half since I made that post, I've managed to see every animal I brought up (some multiple times!) aside from the American badger. I've made more of an effort to tally up what mammals are around in the US that I haven't seen, and as far as I can tell the badger is easily, objectively my most overdue mammal. Number two is bighorn sheep, number three is southern pudu (which I have missed once and unfortunately had to deprioritize a second zoo with them recently). After that, a handful of species are nearly tied for fourth: mountain goat, Geoffroy's cat, wolverine, fisher, Speke's gazelle, maybe a few others with about 10 holders each. None of these are found anywhere remotely nearby, of course.
 
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Are there any species that are either widespread in captivity, or that you have had multiple strong opportunities to see, and yet luck is simply not in your favour, and you are yet to have seen them? I have many, and in the hope that it will relieve some of the pain, I will be sharing them here, :p and am very interested to see if other ZooChat members share the agonising feeling.

Banded Mongoose (Mugo mugo): 93 European zoos hold this species, according to ZTL, 8 of which in the UK, and yet I have never seen one. Having always confused them with Dwarf Mongooses, I thought I had for quite some time, and the realisation that they remain a target species was a shocking one.

Beaver (Caspor sp.): With many childhood holidays to Southwest England, I had many night-time trips into the woodland with my parents searching for them, along with badgers. But all I had to show for it was a dead badger on the side of the road, and several trees which beavers had evidently gnawed at. I rectified the badger when discovering that a family member in Wiltshire has three that regularly visit their back gardens, but beavers continue to evade me. I went mad with excitement thinking I had seen one while cycling near Lauenberg in Germany, and although the realisation that they were invasive Nutria was a slight disappointment, they were still a nice species. Beavers are also decently common in zoos, but always seem to be sleeping without an onshow indoor area.

Eastern Quoll (Dasyurus viverrinus): I have a feeling that I may have seen one in Twilight World at Bristol Zoo when I was younger, but am by no means certain. When I returned to Bristol, the building was closed due to the pandemic, and when I returned the following year after it had opened, the last quoll had passed away. I had another chance to see them at Menagerie JdP, but with mere minutes before the zoo's closure by the time we got to their exhibit, which I dismissed as a callitrichid house due to its icon on the map, I decided to skip it, a decision that I regret to this day. :(

Fossa (Cryptoprocta ferox): Of the five euplerid species present in European zoos, the Fossa is by far the most common, kept at 36, of which 6 are in the UK. And yet, I have seen four of the five with the Fossa confusingly being the exception. They evaded me at Chester, I missed their enclosure at Marwell, and their exhibit was under renovation when I visited Vincennes! My luck with them is just terrible! :eek:
Just stumbled back upon this thread and am pleased to see that in the year and a half since I made that post, I've managed to see every animal I brought up (some multiple times!) aside from the American badger. I've made more of an effort to tally up what mammals are around in the US that I haven't seen, and as far as I can tell the badger is easily, objectively my most overdue mammal. Number two is bighorn sheep, number three is southern pudu (which I have missed once and unfortunately had to deprioritize a second zoo with them recently). After that, a handful of species are nearly tied for fourth: mountain goat, Geoffroy's cat, wolverine, fisher, Speke's gazelle, maybe a few others with about 10 holders each. None of these are found anywhere remotely nearby, of course.
Thanks for reminding me of this thread and therefore prompting me to look back at my own list. I’ve seen European Beavers now at Tierpark Dessau, which was lovely as they were adorable and far larger than I would have expected, though it does feel a bit anticlimactic that after all the time spent searching for them in the wild my first encounter was in a zoo. I also saw Banded Mongooses a few days later at Zoo Dresden, which I had actually completely forgotten about until checking now. Hopefully I will be able to see the quolls, fossa and wild beavers soon…
 
Just stumbled back upon this thread and am pleased to see that in the year and a half since I made that post, I've managed to see every animal I brought up (some multiple times!) aside from the American badger. I've made more of an effort to tally up what mammals are around in the US that I haven't seen, and as far as I can tell the badger is easily, objectively my most overdue mammal. Number two is bighorn sheep, number three is southern pudu (which I have missed once and unfortunately had to deprioritize a second zoo with them recently). After that, a handful of species are nearly tied for fourth: mountain goat, Geoffroy's cat, wolverine, fisher, Speke's gazelle, maybe a few others with about 10 holders each. None of these are found anywhere remotely nearby, of course.
I've seen American badgers, mountain goats, and bighorn sheep in the wild. It is so interesting how different all of our experiences are
 
There are some species that i haven't seen in captivity or the wild:

Jaguars: This mostly comes down to there simply being no Jaguars in zoos near me. Antwerp used to have them i think, but i can't ever recall seeing the animal.

Skunks: another species that is very common in Europe. I have been to some zoos which have the species but always had bad luck. I hope to see one soon.

Echidnas: I have been to 3 zoos that kept them at the time of my visit. The old animal at planckendael never showed himself to me, and the viewing at Pairi Daiza is too bad to ever see it there i think. At Prague i hoped to see it, but sadly it was a no-show.

Cloud rats: this is a species that is getting more and more common, but I have never ever seen them in zoos. Not even in Prague, the main breeders of both species!

Manatees: I have never been to a zoo with manatees. I hope to see them once Pairi Daiza acquires them though, together with Jaguars.

I have also seen every crocodile species except mugger, saltwater, siamese new guinea and false gharial. And yacare and black caiman. I hope one day I can make it to Denmark and see them all in one go.

There are some species that I luckily recently could tick off my list, like binturong and wombat! I hope i can see the other animals somewhere in the future too.
 
I have also seen every crocodile species except mugger, saltwater, siamese new guinea and false gharial. And yacare and black caiman. I hope one day I can make it to Denmark and see them all in one go.
It's crazy to me that someone could have seen so many crocodile species but not have seen a saltie! They're extremely common in Australian zoos, perhaps the most or second most common (the other contender is the freshie). To my knowledge, only four crocodilians are kept in Australian facilites - freshie and saltie are very common, a few holders of American Alligator and a single specimen of New Guinea Crocodile (C. novaeguineae sensu stricto) - of which I've seen all four.
 
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