Owl-faced monkeys (Cercopithecus hamlyni) in Europe

Pertinax said:
P.S. Didn't Edinburgh recently still have a younger female also? Did that leave before the pair?
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I actually do not know - I haven't seen it the last few times I visited, so I've assumed it either left or died.

We can be reasonably sure that it is no longer at Edinburgh though, as Hamlyn's Monkey is no longer listed on their official website in the index of species held - although Edinburgh Zoo is terrible at updating listings for species they still hold (for instance, the listing for Golden Cats doesn't reflect the 2009 arrival of Ipoh, never mind the 2012 death of Bruno and arrival of Khaan!) they are *very* efficient at removing species from the list as soon as they are no longer held.

Things are getting quite bleak for guenons in general, I fear...
 
TeaLovingDave said:
although Edinburgh Zoo is terrible at updating listings for species they still hold (for instance, the listing for Golden Cats doesn't reflect the 2009 arrival of Ipoh, never mind the 2012 death of Bruno and arrival of Khaan!) they are *very* efficient at removing species from the list as soon as they are no longer held.
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That's no doubt because otherwise they could be accused of wrongly advertising what species they have on show. Whereas the particular individuals held is far less important in that respect.;)

Very sad about the Hamlyn's- I wonder what made them finally give up on them-I guess 1. no real hope of maintaining them and 2. too similar to the more successful L'Hoest's?
 
TeaLovingDave said:
If accurate, the species has now left the UK - likely forever.
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It’s really sad if there are no more Hamlyn’s owl-faced monkeys in the UK.

I would love to see this guenon return to London Zoo. That seems appropriate as the species was named after a London Zoo animal; the zoo obtained the type specimen from the (once) famous animal dealer John Daniel Hamlyn and the specific name hamlyni was bestowed in his honour.
 
Pertinax said:
P.S. Didn't Edinburgh recently still have a younger female also? Did that leave before the pair?
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She left for La Palmyre in Spring 2012 (and they have just had there first birth of this species in 16 years so transfer was clearly a success!)
 
A further male was born 2010 after "Kenge's" death. Do you know what happened to this one?

A good choice to send the 5 years old female to La Palmyr.
 
Tim May said:
I would love to see this guenon return to London Zoo.
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I would have thought that very unlikely. London only went out of them about a decade ago- there was successful breeding followed by the usual 'disappearance'.(deaths?) Plus their Monkey cages are pretty much all full and they have a representative of Guenons already with the Dianas.
 
Pertinax said:
Does Bojnice Zoo have any others, or will it just be this pair of (evidently) non-breeders?
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It is a new species for Bojnice.

I imagine the monkey house at Edinburgh will be a bit impoverished at present - the Purple Langurs left a couple of months ago, and now have been joined by the Hamlyn's. Short of there having been a new arrival which hasn't been reported yet, one wonders if pre-existing species have been spread across more enclosures to give them room.

Aiming to visit again before too long, so I'll be sure to report on the matter.
 
I expect it will be full of L'Hoests and Dianas.

I do find it sad that Edinburgh have finally given up with the Hamlyn's-they had a good record with them previously but presumably they realised that without a fresh import they wouldn't be able to breed them anymore, and also with so few in Europe now, new partners of the right age/sex aren't easy to aquire either. But if that last pair are the only ones at Bojnice they aren't likely to do much with them there either.:(

So at Edinburgh focus is now on the bolder, more free-breeding L'Hoests.
 
Tim May said:
It’s really sad if there are no more Hamlyn’s owl-faced monkeys in the UK.

I would love to see this guenon return to London Zoo. That seems appropriate as the species was named after a London Zoo animal....
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Pertinax said:
I would have thought that very unlikely...
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I concur; unfortunately, I think this is very unlikely although, given that the type specimen was a London Zoo animal, it would be nice if the species were represented in the collection again.

(The type specimens of L’Hoest’s monkey, Allen’s swamp monkey and Sykes’ monkey were also London Zoo animals..........)
 
On the site of Antwerp zoo is an article (since yesterday) that says that they have a male, Kibo, and since june this year a female called Jimmel.
 
He was born at Leipzig Zoo in 2005 to KWANZA (born at London in 1993, died 2010) and ANITA (born at Leipzig in 1996).
 
Owl-faced monkey born at Antwerp Zoo to KIBO (born at Leipzig Zoo in 2005) and JIMMEL (unknow origin). It is the first offspring at Antwerp since 2001.
 
Doue la Fontaine became new holder of Hamlyn-monkeys last year. They are going to co-house them with okapis.

XOSA arrived from Antwerp Zoo, where she was born. Another monkey arrived from Amsterdam Artis Zoo, this one was born at La Palmyre Zoo, an older monkey I think, the last breeding there took place in 1996.
 
Are you able to list for us which Zoos still have Hamlyn's in Europe now, and how many there are at each?
 
1.) Berlin (Zoo), Berlin, Germany - 1,2

1,0 Zuri
- born at London Zoo in 1999
- Leipzig 28.02.2009, Berlin 2012
- sire: Bundi, dam: Olivia

0,1 Klara
- born at Leipzig 1999, Berlin 2012
- sire: Kwanza, dam: Kerstin

0,1 Pandora
- born at Antwerp 08.09.1988
- Berlin 2009
- sire: 169, dam: Fabiola

2.) Leipzig (Zoo), Saxony, Germany - 3,3

1,0 Kindu
- born at Leipzig 21.06.2009
- sire: Kwanza, dam: Anita

1,0 Dexter
- born at Mulhouse 15.02.2007
- sire: Cissero, dam: Karmina
- Leipzig 2013

1,0 ???
- arrived from Antwerp 2013

0,1 Anita
- born at Leipzig 27.04.1996
- sire: Herkules, dam: Petra

0,1 Kora
- born at Leipzig 2001
- sire: Kwanza, dam: Kerstin

0,1 Kela
- born at Leipzig 18.08.2007
- sire: Kwanza, dam: Anita

3.) Antwerp Zoo, Belgium - 1,1,1

1,0 Kibo
- born at Leipzig 03.11.2005
- sire: Kwanza, dam: Anita
- arrived 2013

0,1 Jimmel
- unknown origin
- arrived July 2013

0,0,1 ???
- born 2014 to Kibo and Jimmel

4.) Doue le Fontaine (Zoo), France - 0,1,1

0,1 Xosa
- born at Antwerp Zoo
- arrived 2013 from Antwerp

0,0,1 ???
- born at La Palmyre Zoo
- arrived from Amsterdam 2013

5.) Mulhouse (Zoo), France - 1,1,4

1,0 Cissero
- born at Antwerp 18.04.2001
- Mulhouse 18.05.2006
- sire: Taco, dam: Pandora

0,1 Karmina
- born at Leipzig 30.08.2002
- Mulhouse 30.06.2006
- sire: Kwanza, dam: Kerstin

0,0,4 ???
- born to Cissero and Karmina 2009 - 2013

6.) Les Mathes (Zoo de La Palmyre), France

1,0 Kasai
- born at Leipzig Zoo 03.10.2003
- arrived at Valencia 2008, Palmyre 2011/2012
- sire: Kwanza, dam: Anita

0,1 Manjano
- born at Edinburgh 21.05.2007
- arrived 2011/2012
- sire: Kenge, dam: Shaba

0,0,2 ???
- born to Kasai and Manjano 2012 and 2014

7.) Bojnice (Zoo), Slowakia - 1,1

1,0 Argus
- born at Antwerp 20.09.1999
- Twycross 15.11.2003, Bojnice 2012
- sire: Taco, dam: Pandora

0,1 Shaba
- born at Edinburgh 27.05.1994
- arrived 2012
- sire: Barry, dam: Tara
 
Thanks Bjoern. There are still a few more than I thought there are now, and breeding is still taking place in several places. Perhaps there is hope yet....
 
3.) Antwerp Zoo, Belgium - 1,1,1

1,0 Kibo
- born at Leipzig 03.11.2005
- sire: Kwanza, dam: Anita
- arrived 2013

0,1 Jimmel
- born 19.03.2009 at Mulhouse Zoo
- sire: Cissero, dam: Karmina
- arrived July 2013

0,0,1 ???
- born March 2014 to Kibo and Jimmel
 
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