I'm sure there are a lot of genets kept as pets in the U.S. so founders could be taken from there. I'm very sad to see genets go as they are a species that's very, very pleasant to watch.
~Thylo
~Thylo
Phase out species in United States
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But would they want to get animals from the exotic pet trade? Considering zoos are against owning exotics as pets they likely wouldnt want to support that industry to build a population. And theres also concerns about pedigree when they cant trace an animals lineage themselves. Lots of animals are turned down for breeding just because they arent 100% sure about its ancestors. What it all boils down to is that its just sad zoos cant source more from the wild or other regions to build up a base population.
I understand that but I'm sure private collections and non-AZA zoos have animals that could be used. If they really wanted to, they could get more. Actually, I'm not sure since it doesn't seem the AZA has fullfilled any of it's phase-in promises!
~Thylo
~Thylo
So AZA doesn't actually import animals into this country. When a species is termed as "phase-in" that only means that there is a demand for that species based on a survey sent out to all AZA zoos, and that there is at least one zoo pursuing the import of that species.
TAGs are basically an inventory tool of species held in AZA zoos. Using surveys, they make recommendations on what species the TAG committee believes that AZA zoos can collectively support and sustain into the future. Phase Outs are recommended when the TAGs predict that a species in AZA zoos are not sustainable into the near future, or if that species is hindering the growth of a more endangered, but similar species in AZA zoos.
And in the end, these are all just recommendations. If an AZA zoo in Texas decides to import Red colobus monkeys - it can without TAG support. But it may have some difficultly placing those animals at other AZA zoos in the future because the effort wasn't coordinated with other zoos.
TAGs are basically an inventory tool of species held in AZA zoos. Using surveys, they make recommendations on what species the TAG committee believes that AZA zoos can collectively support and sustain into the future. Phase Outs are recommended when the TAGs predict that a species in AZA zoos are not sustainable into the near future, or if that species is hindering the growth of a more endangered, but similar species in AZA zoos.
And in the end, these are all just recommendations. If an AZA zoo in Texas decides to import Red colobus monkeys - it can without TAG support. But it may have some difficultly placing those animals at other AZA zoos in the future because the effort wasn't coordinated with other zoos.
generuk how is it you can so simply and elegantly explain all of that in such and understandable and concise way? I've tried to explain that stuff (not just here on zoo chat) and I end up sounding long winded and confused (at least I think Im sounding confusing). You've given a far better explanation of what the TAGs do then I believe I ever could.
And ThylacineAlive I never even considered the private collections and non accredited zoos. I just thought you meant the pet trade. That would be a much better idea. I'd have to agree with you that it would be nice to see some more phase ins and for them to be successful. The pygmy hogs look pretty darn cute.
And ThylacineAlive I never even considered the private collections and non accredited zoos. I just thought you meant the pet trade. That would be a much better idea. I'd have to agree with you that it would be nice to see some more phase ins and for them to be successful. The pygmy hogs look pretty darn cute.
I understand that but I'm sure private collections and non-AZA zoos have animals that could be used. If they really wanted to, they could get more. Actually, I'm not sure since it doesn't seem the AZA has fullfilled any of it's phase-in promises!
~Thylo
There are plenty of game farms in Texas that likely have animals not in AZA facilities. It's too bad they can't insure that the genetic background is pure. There could be plenty of animals to source from those places.
I'm not sure if this has been posted in Zoochat or not, but I found this interesting.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/28/s...s-letting-others-die.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/28/s...s-letting-others-die.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
ungulate nerd
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Here is an interesting thread about hoofstock numbers in North American zoos, these are older phase out lists, but I hope you find them interesting, the interesting thing about this thread is it shows how hoofstock numbers in North American zoos are really dissipating
http://www.zoochat.com/22/aza-species-numbers-116697/
http://www.zoochat.com/22/aza-species-numbers-116697/
Well they're still in AZA zoos, but aren't being breed or anything. Phasing-out generally means allowing the species to just die-out in the zoos. Sometimes it does mean sending them to non-AZA collections.
~Thylo
Well they're still in AZA zoos, but aren't being breed or anything. Phasing-out generally means allowing the species to just die-out in the zoos. Sometimes it does mean sending them to non-AZA collections.
~Thylo
I guess I am glad I got to see lion tailed macaques years ago in the Minnesota Zoo. If only they could get more space in zoos or have some other types of facilities.
Blackduiker
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I remember Los Angeles bringing in lion-tailed macaques back in the 1970s or early '80s for what seemed like a very short stay. Which is unfortunate because I've always enjoyed seeing them when and wherever exhibited. I don't know if they didn't do well due to our warm climate or what.
The Minnesota Zoo had them in the Tropics Trail. Are they found at high elevations? I would think they would do okay in LA if they live in India.
Blackduiker
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A species I would love to see exhibited here again.
ungulate nerd
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I think I read somewhere that Lion tailed macaques are being phased out of AZA because there is a strong breeding program for them in Indian zoos and because of low genetic diversity, plus all macaque species carry a fatal form of herpes virus and that is why Santa Ana Zoo at Prentice Park had to get rid of all of their macaque species, they had Lion tailed macaques where the Silvery langurs currently live, plus they also had Stump tailed macaques, Barbary macaques, Rhesus macaques, and Celebes crested macaques (They had great breeding success with this species)
I think ungulate nerd should have said that macaques CAN carry herpes(actually herpes B) rather than DO...I don't know the circumstances at Santa Ana Zoo,there is a risk of transmission to humans but cases are very rare and ,to my mind, do not justify the non-keeping of these monkeys.
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That's an very interessing toppic! For me as a European zoo nerd, american zoos have some awesome collections. But that also shows that there will be consequences for some species in Europe, it would be nice if the animals that the EAZA still want to focus could be sent to Europe, new founder animals never would be really bad.
Does somebody knows how many of these listed species we can't find anymore in America?
Does somebody knows how many of these listed species we can't find anymore in America?