Port Lympne Wild Animal Park Port Lympne 2013

At what stage was Djala introduced to Howletts/Port Lympne? Does he carry
prior tropical rainforest experience in him? That may also be a determining factor in how successful the group will be.

His age (30) is a bit of a bummer.
 
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At what stage was Djala introduced to Howletts/Port Lympne? Does he carry
prior tropical rainforest experience in him?

His age (30) is a bit of a bummer.

He was only a small baby when he arrived. He was literally rescued from the pot, by a helicopter pilot overflying the village and seeing him just about to be cooked for dinner.:( He had also been tormented by children and has continued a lifelong dislike of them- he would often charge the glass if groups of niosy children are present.

Its a lot to ask him to adapt to these new surroundings easily after so many years away,, but I think he might well do so as they are full of surprises. And he is a good group leader anyway.
 
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Its a lot to ask him to adapt to these new surroundings easily after so many years away,, but I think he might well do so as they are full of surprises. And he is a good group leader anyway.

He sure is a good group leader.

I just had reservations about his age and hence his adaptability to new challenging surroundings.

Other than that I fully support JAF on this one. I do think more zoos should opt in and try when breeding is successful to the point we have too much surplus.
 
Other than that I fully support JAF on this one. I do think more zoos should opt in and try when breeding is successful to the point we have too much surplus.

If this release works, then it could certainly pave the way for other similar releases in the future. Apart from Howletts with its several breeding groups, most Zoos would not want to part with their(single) Gorilla groups as they are a valuable exhibit. However, surplus animals, both adults and young born in these groups, could perhaps be combined to make up socially well-balanced 'release' groups, in the same way as 'bachelor' groups are created now.
 
How did they travelled to Gabon?

Did they took a plane from Bruxelles? How they got in Bruxelles? By boat?
 
How did they travelled to Gabon?

Did they took a plane from Bruxelles? How they got in Bruxelles? By boat?

Flight, probably by courtesy of Virgin Atlantic (they have a good relationship with the park). But it is just guessing on my part here (oh bloody speculations ... :rolleyes:).
 
I'm pretty sure I saw a post on their Facebook page thanking DHL for donating lorries and a plane to transport the Gorillas to their new home.
 
I have never watched a Damien Aspinall interview- up until now... What a pretentious ****. To act as if the Aspinall parks are progressive in executing in-situ conservation and release projects.... The difference is that other zoos typically have release programs which assist a dwindling species. While this release and the ultimate release of two male elephants will undoubtedly result in failure.
 
Having realised I haven't gotten around to this yet:
A full review of my visit to Port Lympne today when I feel a little less tired

I travelled to the collection by train to Westenhanger, then walked the 2 miles or so to Port Lympne - anyone reliant on public transport who is put off by the erratic bus timetable to and from PL will be pleased to hear the walk is quite easy, and goes along quiet country roads for a large portion of the duration :)

Probably the best way to review the collection is to split it into the four sections which the collection themselves label on their map, which for ease of reference I've linked below - it is too big to insert as an image:

http://www.aspinallfoundation.org/sites/default/files/web/PL_Visitor_Info/PL_MAP.jpg

Basecamp

One of the few criticisms I have about my visit actually pertains to the map; it is simplified enough that it is actually quite misleading in some portions. For instance, rather than being some way from the gatehouse, and accessible via a T-junction which also leads towards the rest of the park, the area containing the wolves, lions and tigers is actually accessed via a path which is directly to the right of the gatehouse after you pass through it. The only signage indicating this fact is on the outside of the gatehouse next to the door; therefore unless you are heading back into the gatehouse you will not see the sign!

Once you actually find this area, it's actually pretty good - the Canadian Timber Wolf enclosure especially is quite thickly vegetated, and gives the animals plenty of room. The views over Romney Marsh and Dungeness are quite good in this portion of the park, too.

Primate Trail

I really liked this area; most of the enclosures were a decent size, and along with mainstays like ruffed lemurs and gorillas there are still a lot of rarities to be found here; greater and lesser bamboo lemurs, crowned sifaka and the golden-bellied mangabeys are all particular highlights. Of course, the biggest rarity in this area is not a primate at all -this area is where the black-footed cats are held, more or less just to the right of where the map labels lemurs. Unfortunately due to the sunlight on the - somewhat grubby - windows, the photos I took of the sunbathing cats haven't turned out terribly well.

Another thing which should not be missed is that down the paths to either side of where the lemurs are labelled, one of the many rusty-spotted cat enclosures at PL can be found - this particular enclosure gave me the most prolonged views of the cats, with two individuals being highly active and sunbathing in relatively good view for photography - I'll be uploading one of my shots from here soon. The only onshow clouded leopards at the park are also in this area; I observed 4 individuals, all of whom were active and visible. The only caveat with this is that the enclosure is about 25 metres from the path, so unless you have an excellent zoom on your camera, or have binoculars, your view will be impaired by this.

Carnivore Territory

Again, the enclosures here were all of a pretty good standard - mostly the same style as at Howletts, with thick vegetation and some distance from the path rendering luck a big factor when spotting the carnivores. Fortunately I was rather lucky, and saw everything I wanted to see. There are a fair amount of offshow enclosures visible away from the paths in this area if you look out for them - in one of them, we spotted the first rusty-spotted cat of the day... which had spotted us first, and was watching us carefully! The multiple margay enclosures are particularly excellent, with lots of climbing opportunities on various levels, but the best enclosure in this area - ironically, being as we failed to spot anything inside - has to be the "new" Pallas cat construction, which is a pseudo-walkthrough and which would have provided excellent photography opportunities had we been a little luckier.

Along an offshow path leading downhill from the lion and cheetah enclosures marked on the map, 1,1 of the offshow brown hyenas are held - thanks to the aforementioned carnivore keeper who agreed to show us the species, we managed to see the male, who was incredibly active and incredibly greedy ;) the keeper was very friendly and willing to answer our questions - in fact, this is a good place to note that the staff we encountered were all very friendly and helpful.

African Experience

And now the bit I suspect a lot of you will be interested to hear a Port Lympne newbies point of view on. Hoofstock, although I find them quite interesting on a case by case basis, are not my first love - as such I probably won't visit this part of the park again unless they bring in something new before my next visit to Port Lympne. This would be the case whether the changes to accessibility had happened or not. The range of species held in the Experience was quite impressive, and the views from the hillside even moreso. The fact that we had to go on safari trucks to see this area really did not bother me in the slightest; however the trucks *were* rather lacking in suspension and pretty uncomfortable to be in. I suspect this is more an issue with the vehicle stock they had to work with, rather than an issue with the area itself, so it did not unduly impact my enjoyment of the whole other than making it difficult to get photographs from the vehicle.

One thing which I intended to observe to the carnivore keeper I spoke to, in relation to this area, was that in the main safari area, I briefly observed a cross fox running down the hillside! This momentarily took me aback, as I had not heard of them being seen in the UK before - in fact, until I realised it was indeed a cross fox, I wondered whether Port Lympne had mixed black-backed jackals with the hoofstock unnoticed by anyone on here.

Overall

Primates - 8/10
Carnivores - 10/10
African Experience - 7/10
Map - 6/10
Staff - 10/10
Overall "feel" - 8/10

In summary, I will definitely be visiting this collection again - although next time, having seen the hoofstock I wanted to see this time around, I will be able to devote all my time to the carnivores and primates! Anyone who has not visited, and has been put off by criticism of the changes, will find much to enjoy here.
 
LA, I would not be so sure of that. JAF has over the years released several groups of confiscated gorillas. Recently, they have started including also captive-born and raised gorillas with these groups.

Thus, the current release is technically not the first, if not, that this is the first entirely from captive sources planned release.

Damian Aspinall may not be everyone's cup of tea, but to dismiss the gorilla release program as a plan doomed to failure is also somewhat dinosaur like. :rolleyes:
 
A very fair review Dave and having visited myself recently, i would echo your comments encouraging people to ignore the criticism and give it a go. Although the changes were not to my liking, i still enjoyed my visit, without the truck ride & the good fortune of seeing the brown hyena.
The Aspinall park maps have always been poor and out of date, but the current one is the worst of the lot! I'd say worth more like 3/10.
 
TeaLovingDave said:
One thing which I intended to observe to the carnivore keeper I spoke to, in relation to this area, was that in the main safari area, I briefly observed a cross fox running down the hillside! This momentarily took me aback, as I had not heard of them being seen in the UK before - in fact, until I realised it was indeed a cross fox, I wondered whether Port Lympne had mixed black-backed jackals with the hoofstock unnoticed by anyone on here.
what is a cross fox?
 
LA, I would not be so sure of that. JAF has over the years released several groups of confiscated gorillas. Recently, they have started including also captive-born and raised gorillas with these groups.

Thus, the current release is technically not the first, if not, that this is the first entirely from captive sources planned release.

Damian Aspinall may not be everyone's cup of tea, but to dismiss the gorilla release program as a plan doomed to failure is also somewhat dinosaur like. :rolleyes:

I never said all gorilla releases will result or have resulted in failure... Elephants on the other hand have... (WWF Thailand fiasco and Thandora...) :rolleyes:

I was implying that Damien acts as if his release programs are revolutionary- when really they are just showy... In what way was the gibbon release or the current gorilla release necessary? Pure publicity and arrogant zoological superiority.
 
I never said all gorilla releases will result or have resulted in failure... Elephants on the other hand have... (WWF Thailand fiasco and Thandora...) :rolleyes:

I was implying that Damien acts as if his release programs are revolutionary- when really they are just showy... In what way was the gibbon release or the current gorilla release necessary? Pure publicity and arrogant zoological superiority.
I have to agree to a point, i've questioned these release to the wild at risk of slaughter projects previously! i find it hard to believe sending captive animals into war zones or areas rife with poachers is a sensible move, whether it be gorilla, rhino, elephant or gibbon, i just see it all as another anti-zoo publicity stunt! These animals would all be safer left where they are.
 
I have to agree to a point, i've questioned these release to the wild at risk of slaughter projects previously! i find it hard to believe sending captive animals into war zones or areas rife with poachers is a sensible move, whether it be gorilla, rhino, elephant or gibbon, i just see it all as another anti-zoo publicity stunt! These animals would all be safer left where they are.

I observed politely that Mr. Aspinall is not everybody's cup of tea ... So, presentation wise one may come feeling the way you and LA do.

Having said that I do not agree that the Gabon or Java are unsafe for release of gorillas or Javan gibbons. In both sites/areas the zoo has been in there for the long term. The gorilla confiscation, rehabilitation and release cum conservation / protection program has been ongoing for a good 10 years. It is not as if it is a latest fad on the part of Aspinall himself and you are basically discrediting all the field staff that have been working for this project long term (which is far from fair). Aside, in this case a zoo is seen to be doing something about local issues and seeking to address challenges like wildlife poaching, charcoal burning et cetera.

The Javan gibbon project is also a result of years diligently working towards addressing the problems with non-confiscation of gibbons on Java, the setting up of a series of primate rescue centers and than formulating policies with Indonesian authorities, scientific staff and local universities how best to confront the captive primate / illegal trade and rehabilitate primates back to safe protected areas and addressing issues preventing the successful release or rehabilitation of gibbons and other primates. Again to swipe this all aside as just a publicity stunt on the part of Mr. Aspinall is unfair and in no small way discrediting all local conservation staff working towards the goal of providing a safe future for primates on Java while working with the local population + the involvement of the Silvery Gibbon Project from Australia and their zoo affiliation with the project and the entire process. Where this comes in certainly the IUCN criteria for primate releases have featured highly and if you would care to see the facilities provided for the release program and rehab of confiscated primates you might perhaps see differently (allthough .. I think perhaps not).

The elephant release - on the other hand - I do have some reservations for. Then again, I certainly would see it as an interesting exercise that may potentially see in future years see captive elephants successfully released to the wild. I am certainly interested in what LA has deemed as the Thailand WWF elephant failure (as I personally find the elephant sanctuaries a bit of a peculiar sight and not addressing the real issues why elephants have become so endangered in Thailand in the first place). But there ... hey ... I am open to be swayed for.
 
In what way was the gibbon release or the current gorilla release necessary? Pure publicity and arrogant zoological superiority.

When John Aspinall acquired his first young Gorillas in the 1950's, to try and form a breeding group, his intention was always to breed them into large numbers and then release them back into the wild (he always used the slightly flowery term 'return them to their ancestral homelands' for some reason and I think the son has inherited its use too.). So, irrespective of the publicity and the anti-zoo stance accompanying it, I think DA is really just continuing his fathers' wishes and unfinished work in seeing this project with the Djala Gorilla group come to fruition.

If it succeeds, which it may well do, then it could pave the way for other groups to be relocated wholesale, either from Howletts or other Zoos which wished to become involved with any surplus animals. In that way it is a ground-breaking experiment and possibly, if it succeeds, a major achievment, whatever the motives and undercurrents.

What I think goes against the grain and is unnecessary, is the continual 'anti-zoo' mantra and the 'Aspinall parks shouldn't exist if we can set free all our animals' stance- its unrealistic to think they can rewild all their animals- I'm sure they know that so why say it?:confused: so they can never be closed/emptied- unless the remaining animals went to other collections.
 
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