Rare species in European zoos
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Toddy
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Well, you dont' know if you can keep them alive before you try, do you? I say it's worth a shot, if the chinese pangolins are now doing well enough in Asia.
Well the problem is that lots of zoos have tried, and all failed. The last example are 2 pangolins who were donated to one of the Paris zoos in 2007 and within a few weeks both were dead. Are you sure that they are really doing so well in Asian zoos? The male pangolin from the Taipeh zoo which was originally selected to go to Leipzig died shortly before the transfer.
Toddy
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I am not sure how well they are doing. It is quite hard to find the info. But maybe it will work this time? It sounds like they have built an all new enclosure for their new pangolin, and they probably work closely together with the staff at Taipeh.
Not that long ago an aye-aye from Bristol arrived at either Berlin or Frankfurt (90% sure it was Frankfurt though) so i think that was their previous young animal...
There has been an article posted here not that long ago by zoopro about the pangolins at Taipeh Zoo. It was very optimistic saying that Taipeh Zoo "cracked it" or something similar and they are breeding with them. How realistic that all was, i don't know but it sounded like they had at least a few young...
The pangolins at Paris didn't last long, allthough to be fair they were both in ill health and the first died very quick because it was probably too weakened. I also don't know exactly which species those were?
Toddy
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Jwer :
The pangolins kept in Paris zoo were actually weak and sick, mostly because they were way too young to be kept in captivity. They were donated to Paris Zoo by a french laboratory who tries to study this specie and import each year some youngs from the wild, but all of them die before reaching adult age.
And to answer your question, they're african tree pangolins (Manis tricuspis), almost never kept in zoos.
Here's a picture I took of the last individual a few weeks before it died :
The pangolins kept in Paris zoo were actually weak and sick, mostly because they were way too young to be kept in captivity. They were donated to Paris Zoo by a french laboratory who tries to study this specie and import each year some youngs from the wild, but all of them die before reaching adult age.
And to answer your question, they're african tree pangolins (Manis tricuspis), almost never kept in zoos.
Here's a picture I took of the last individual a few weeks before it died :
Writhedhornbill
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They are truly amazing species. I want one!
Sun Wukong
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The aspect of the pangolins arriving already sick and injured might have been one of the main reasons right from the start why the husbandry of pangolins-may it be Paris, LA or Arnheim-hasn't worked over a longer period of time. Nevertheless, one should not forget that the starting situation in many now rather common zoo species like. e.g. Gorillas was quite similar.
However, I'm unsure whether Taipeh Zoo really "cracked" the "secret" of pangolin feeding-the one they actually wanted to send to Leipzig died, so that the one now in Leipzig Zoo is the "replacement".
However, I'm unsure whether Taipeh Zoo really "cracked" the "secret" of pangolin feeding-the one they actually wanted to send to Leipzig died, so that the one now in Leipzig Zoo is the "replacement".
I dont know whatver pangolins is a difficult group of animals to keep in captivity, I know that we have at least two species in the region (Chinese and Sunda) with both being very similar.
The pangolins is probably the most widely traded mammals in southern china as well as south-east Asia, huge numbers are caught from the wild each year but most end up as meat or used in medicine products. Few are held in south-east zoos, and the few that is mostly confiscated animals. The reason for them being so rare is that most confiscated animals are in such poor state that they only live for a few months at best, I dont think many zoos has made any really serious attempts to keep and breed this species in this region. I have Pangolins (Sunda I believe) here in the region where I live, despite pretty much all other local wildlife is being kept as pets I very rarely see pangolins, and those few that are usually live for a few weeks at best.
The pangolins is probably the most widely traded mammals in southern china as well as south-east Asia, huge numbers are caught from the wild each year but most end up as meat or used in medicine products. Few are held in south-east zoos, and the few that is mostly confiscated animals. The reason for them being so rare is that most confiscated animals are in such poor state that they only live for a few months at best, I dont think many zoos has made any really serious attempts to keep and breed this species in this region. I have Pangolins (Sunda I believe) here in the region where I live, despite pretty much all other local wildlife is being kept as pets I very rarely see pangolins, and those few that are usually live for a few weeks at best.
Writhedhornbill
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Red and Blue lories!!
Cologne now have another bird to join their original, hopefully they'll breed soon. I presume tis bird has come from Loro parque.
Cologne now have another bird to join their original, hopefully they'll breed soon. I presume tis bird has come from Loro parque.
Prague Zoo has another litter. Twins, but mother cared only about the stronger one, weaker one didn't survive. It was born 5th March. It was 4th litter of the pair, 4 offspring was succesfully bred so far (according to their website 3 males, 1 female in years 2004, 2005, 2007)
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Yes, the Edinburgh one is one of the males born in Prague.
It is already the 5th litter of this pair. The first one (twins) happened during their stay in Dvur Kralove in 2003. One young disappeared shortly after the birth, the second one died due to infection of lungs in the age of a few weeks.
That's right, thx for correcting me, I forgot. 4th litter in Prague, 5 th litter of the pair. 3 litters were succesfull (1;1 - 1;0 - 1;0 according to Zoo Prague website, they went to Ramat Gan, Sharjah and Edinburgh, but ISIS listed the population in these three zoos as 2;2 total, there is either a mistake somewhere or some individuals were relocated, but in Sharjah , there should be a male from Prague, not a female).
Kowaris are also very rare in zoological collections. There are only three locations (Frankfurt, Moscow, Poznan) which keep them. Budapest Zoo also had kept them a few years ago in its nocturnal section. According a collection planning guidelines was accepted few years ago there is a need to bring some new founder individuals into the current European population, but since f. e. North American institutions had not been kept Kowaris some years ago the only possibility is to bring some specimens from Australia which would be a sevaral year period of lobby. If anybody has knowledge about further locations which houses Kowaris or plan to exhibit them in the future please let me know.
And an other rare marsupial species in Europe, the Brush-tailed rock wallaby.
And an other rare marsupial species in Europe, the Brush-tailed rock wallaby.
Thanks kiang ...maybe the University of Erlangen?