Spec. Zoo Design questions
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Paul.Haerle
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The macaws will prevent plants, especially trees and bushes, from growing well.
MOG2012
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Would any bird or butterfly species be able to be free-flight if the macaws are in a netted aviary, tortoises are the only ones free-roaming with tamarins, a tortoise, and iguana in the same atrium (but netted)
Paul.Haerle
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Should actually work; possible birds could include Silver-beaked Tanagers, Golden Grosbeaks, Blue-backed Grassquits, Fulvos Crested Tanagers, Blue Ground Doves, Lined Seedeaters and Yellow-faced Grassquits.
MOG2012
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With Golden Lion Tamarins in the exhibit, should I theme the free-flights birds to be from the Mata Atlantica? If so, what species?
Paul.Haerle
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The species list above fits relatively well: the crested tanager would have to go; the Golden Grosbeak can be replaced by the Ultramarine Grosbeak; additionally perhaps swallow tanager.
Edit: The yellow-faced grassquit also has to go
MOG2012
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It would work if it has only 5-8 species. AZA and EAZA recommends around 100 sq. m at least for small groups
Lycaon
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I see. I was thinking a group of around 4 males and 9 females (along with offspring). Would 160 sq. meters or bigger be better?
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Does anyone know if AZA and/or federal regulations require all animal habitats to be located inside a zoo's perimeter fence? For example, could you have a native turtle pond between the parking lot and the ticket window, just outside the perimeter fence? Of a full-enclosed aviary next to the enterance but outside the perimeter fence?
MOG2012
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Outdoor housing facilities for animals must be enclosed by a perimeter fence that is sufficient height to keep animals and unauthorized people out according to the federal regulations under the animal welfare act (specifically 9 CFR § 3.127 (d). However, an aviary can be visible from outside of the zoo like it can be just behind the fence with the fence as its front size but you can’t really have a native turtle pond outside the fence
Federal regulations definitely do not, I've seen many unaccredited zoos do this sort of thing. I can't think of any accredited examples but I don't know if that'd due to AZA rules or just coincidence.
Is it feasible for North American zoos to import Asian Pangolins (Chinese or Sunda) and Southeast Asian Owls (like Buffy Fish Owl, Spotted Wood Owl or Malay Eagle-Owl) from Asian facilities
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Chinese pangolins I think would be possible. Taipei has been slowly expanding the breeding programme to European zoos (Leipzig and Prague) so it would be perfectly reasonable to assume they will eventually also send one to an American zoo
"Feasibility" is a word both overrated and underrated in most zoo-enthusiast contexts that I read: if you mean possible as in easy/doable within law, it's not always the case for some exceptionally protected taxa, but for most animals it is, you just have to look for CITES, national and local laws on the dealing of animals.
If it doesn't sound like a quick research, it's because it isn't (unless you know exactly where to look).
No rule about imports or exports is set in stone like some people make it sound, but right now, in the 21st century, we know there's many stakeholders to deal with to "put an animal on a pedestal and admire it".
Biosecurity, population management, genetics, veterinary treatments, threatened level, surplus dealing and geopolitics are only those who come up at the top of my head.
For a speculative facility, however, I see no use in asking for feasibility as the amount of limitations is always on the person who creates it: if you want to conceptualise a private collection that you could assemble in your backyard's shed/in your private ranch or a grandiose and over-the-top zoological garden with bits of unique taxa and monuments like Moscow, Berlin or Schönbrunn it's only up to you.
You should, however, be open to criticism in the way other people may know a thing or two about a subject that you may not know well or, even better, knowing that you know only if you know that you don't know®, expanding your knowledge on the subject and thoughtfully applying it.
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kate person
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Does anyone know how big of an enclosure I would need for 2 American black bears? I was thinking 900sq m. Thanks
MOG2012
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It's recommended that there should be at least 500-700 sq. m per bear so a size of around 1000-1500 sq. m would be okay
Can you hold Poison dart frogs in a mostly vertical enclosure or should that be reserved only for treefrogs?
Van Beal
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I’m pretty sure some species of dart frog are quite arboreal in the wild. It would depend mostly on which species you intended to hold.