Species no longer held/nearly gone from US zoos

@TinoPup you do realize most major zoos and aquariums have advertised BTS tours/encounters, some being the only way you can see certain species?

As Argus said, I'm fine with advertised ones, and often do them myself when I can. The issue is when it's not something available to anyone else and yes, is essentially bribery. There have been occasions where people, even myself, have gotten to see animals just by asking nicely and being polite (mine were both cheetahs so not a big deal to most of you ;)). But if someone comes along and offers big sums of money, it sets a precedent for the zoo to charge in the future.
 
I guess I really need to put more information down when I write things like this. :)

I offered to make a donation. I am not very well versed in the dynamics that occur in zoo administration but it seems as if smaller zoos have busier staff. Because of this thinking and how hard employees must work to succeed in its missions, I felt an obligation to donate to the zoo. They only have twelve full-time zookeepers, and that twelve includes the full-time volunteers. It seems as if taking time out of keepers who work in bigger zoos' days for conversations, or in lucky situations, a chance to see animals when they are not visible to the public, does not affect their work as much as in small facilities. This thinking may not make the most sense, and I would be eager to here more about the differences in management between big and small zoos (there is probably already a thread for that, though), but is the basis for my decision. In any case, I only typed that I remunerated the zoo to explain that I was aware that the Patagioenas corensis specimen is kept off-exhibit.
 
I guess I really need to put more information down when I write things like this. :)

I offered to make a donation. I am not very well versed in the dynamics that occur in zoo administration but it seems as if smaller zoos have busier staff. Because of this thinking and how hard employees must work to succeed in its missions, I felt an obligation to donate to the zoo. They only have twelve full-time zookeepers, and that twelve includes the full-time volunteers. It seems as if taking time out of keepers who work in bigger zoos' days for conversations, or in lucky situations, a chance to see animals when they are not visible to the public, does not affect their work as much as in small facilities. This thinking may not make the most sense, and I would be eager to here more about the differences in management between big and small zoos (there is probably already a thread for that, though), but is the basis for my decision. In any case, I only typed that I remunerated the zoo to explain that I was aware that the Patagioenas corensis specimen is kept off-exhibit.

More information doesn't make this any better. It doesn't matter how nice you make the word, it's a bribe, and everything in my previous post applies. If it was a good-faith donation, you'd do it after the fact, without bringing it up until then.
 
I guess I really need to put more information down when I write things like this. :)

I offered to make a donation. I am not very well versed in the dynamics that occur in zoo administration but it seems as if smaller zoos have busier staff. Because of this thinking and how hard employees must work to succeed in its missions, I felt an obligation to donate to the zoo. They only have twelve full-time zookeepers, and that twelve includes the full-time volunteers. It seems as if taking time out of keepers who work in bigger zoos' days for conversations, or in lucky situations, a chance to see animals when they are not visible to the public, does not affect their work as much as in small facilities. This thinking may not make the most sense, and I would be eager to here more about the differences in management between big and small zoos (there is probably already a thread for that, though), but is the basis for my decision. In any case, I only typed that I remunerated the zoo to explain that I was aware that the Patagioenas corensis specimen is kept off-exhibit.

Of course, offering money is still extra incentive for them to actually do it, especially for a smaller facility that may need money more. Particularly as 300 is really steep for one bird, that's more than is charged for most hour long bts experiences. And beyond what most of us could afford to do.
 
I guess I really need to put more information down when I write things like this. :)

I offered to make a donation. I am not very well versed in the dynamics that occur in zoo administration but it seems as if smaller zoos have busier staff. Because of this thinking and how hard employees must work to succeed in its missions, I felt an obligation to donate to the zoo. They only have twelve full-time zookeepers, and that twelve includes the full-time volunteers. It seems as if taking time out of keepers who work in bigger zoos' days for conversations, or in lucky situations, a chance to see animals when they are not visible to the public, does not affect their work as much as in small facilities. This thinking may not make the most sense, and I would be eager to here more about the differences in management between big and small zoos (there is probably already a thread for that, though), but is the basis for my decision. In any case, I only typed that I remunerated the zoo to explain that I was aware that the Patagioenas corensis specimen is kept off-exhibit.
Honestly if I were you right now, I would stop branching off of subject after subject as it really just seems like a reach.
 
My fellow Zoochatters.....what cuscus are left in the country?

I can confirm ground cuscus at Busch Gardens

Memphis still has bear cuscus?

Thanks to all in advance
 
My fellow Zoochatters.....what cuscus are left in the country?

I can confirm ground cuscus at Busch Gardens

Memphis still has bear cuscus?

Thanks to all in advance
Ground Cuscus at Busch Gardens is no longer on-display, though.
 
@SusScrofa appreciate it, but asking in general anywhere.

Bear Cuscus were at Memphis and SD had grounds too but off display. Was curious if anyone knew any place that had them at all

@Chlidonias thanks but it's almost a year old. SD was my bigger inquiry
 
@SusScrofa appreciate it, but asking in general anywhere.

Bear Cuscus were at Memphis and SD had grounds too but off display. Was curious if anyone knew any place that had them at all

@Chlidonias thanks but it's almost a year old. SD was my bigger inquiry

USDA not real helpful in confirming anything recent. Busch Gardens, SDZ, and Memphis are the only facilities showing up from 2020 forward, only Busch has had posted inspection since late 2021. Dealer Jason Clay had 4 "Little Celebes Cuscus" late last year, who knows precisely what those were and where they've gotten to. So very few left other than what might be kicking around very privately.
 
I kind of figured there may be some privately, thanks.

Are Memphis on display?

Also the BG cuscus my be the oldest in the world according to staff
 
Eastern Hoolock Gibbon, Angolan Talapoin, Hamlyn's Monkey, Sooty Mangabey, King Colobus, Black-tufted Marmoset, Wied’s Marmoset, Brown-mantled Tamarin, and Brown-mantled Tamarin are all down to one holder or are gone

Interestingly during my research, there are actually 2 facilities that hold black-tufted marmosets in North America. One is the Pana'ewa Rainforest Zoo in Hawaii but the other facility is Forever Wild Exotic Animal Sanctuary in California.
 
Interestingly during my research, there are actually 2 facilities that hold black-tufted marmosets in North America. One is the Pana'ewa Rainforest Zoo in Hawaii but the other facility is Forever Wild Exotic Animal Sanctuary in California.
Black-tufted Marmoset is probably around at quite a few roadsides, they aren't uncommon in the private trade. Special Memories had them before they closed.
 
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