The Nonsense Thread
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I will post on this thread tomorrow. My wife wears the pants, so I must do some chores today around the house.
But you just posted.
she only wears short pantsBut you just posted.
Yeah, you pretty much summed it up.
nanoboy
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I think it is rather more than half-full for you, if you think the Ark of the Covenant being an alien artifact is "plausible". To be so you must regard alien visitation as an almost certainty. (I actually just realised as I was typing that, that we are probably using differing meanings of plausible: I take it as "credible or believable"; I suspect you choose the definition of "the deceptive appearance of truth", yes? Darn English language!!)
I thought you might bring up the Eskimos. I can't argue about that one, other than to say that humans settling the Arctic circle by a gradual overland route is not the same as humans settling Antarctica, and (again) the conditions in the Arctic are far more benign than the conditions in Antarctica, even in the currently ice-free patches. (Also I wasn't referring to farming crops, I was making reference to Ice Age humans who survived by hunting terrestrial mammals and harvesting wild plant-stuffs).
no, it really is a tenuous link. Vikings going to North America has literally no bearing at all on anybody discovering NZ! Vikings sailing across the northern Atlantic is easy stuff. It's not a big trip, relatively speaking. And the tales of North America were in the traditions of the Norsemen themselves. For the NZ stories, there are no traditions of discovering NZ amongst the cultures supposed to have been here, only claimed artifacts and Maori legends shoe-horned into whichever culture the "researcher" decides was here. And NZ is of course a long long way from anywhere (especially for some of the non-sea-faring cultures that are claimed as discovering the country!!). Your equation with Vikings in the north Atlantic is irrelevant.
I know you do, and I enjoy the debate/argument/challenge/whatever word is best appropriate
never read it. I am not religious in any aspect, but I always understood that it was widely accepted that the Bible is basically a historical account with embellishments (although one half was written at a considerable distance from the time of the events). I can't really debate on the Bible because it isn't something I've ever looked into (in more ways than one!)
Yes, I take the word "plausible" to mean "possible". A man jumping 1000 feet in the air, to me, is impossible. A man somewhere on this planet being able to run 100 metres in under 9 seconds, to me, is plausible.
Which leads me to another point. If I say in one discussion that I can believe that aliens exist, and that they visit/visited earth, that does not mean that I believe every wacko who says they were kidnapped by aliens.
The universe is so large that I find it incomprehensible that we would believe that earth has the only life forms in existence. In addition, statistically, it seems probably that there must be a few planets with what we would consider to be intelligent life on it, and indeed, if we could send the Voyager probe into space, I don't see why life forms somewhere could be a couple hundred years ahead of us with technology and could be capable of interstellar travel. Whilst I think there is some racism involved in thinking that aliens (and not Egyptians) built the pyramids, I also think there is some arrogance in thinking we are the only intelligent life forms in the vastness of the universe capable of space travel. (PS* Slaves did not build the pyramids, but I think that we would be oversimplifying it by saying they built it because they really loved their pharaoh - as though the had a choice! Sounds a bit like slavery to me.
)I am not comparing the harsh Antarctic climate to that of the Arctic. Instead, I am saying that it seems possible that the Antarctic would have been warmer in the various warm periods in the last 10,000 years, and that some patches of land near the coast may have been ice free. No overland route is needed for settlement to occur - just ask the Polynesians/Maoris who were island hopping for centuries.
I did not get around to reading up about the 'myths' you mentioned about NZ. If they do not appear in ancient Northern Hemisphere literature, and only appeared more recently when crackpots tried to fit crazy theories, then you are quite correct to say the Viking sagas are not a good comparison. (I assumed the ancient Tamil literature mentioned a far off land of milk and honey where they did not have to work and.... oh wait.... that's a modern story.
Yes Pootle, there is a joke in there.)You are a sceptic, and need to see hard evidence to believe anything. Is it fair to say that you are atheist then? I will try to be civil and contain my laughter if you do believe in god.
You should read up about the historicity of Jesus when you get some time - if that interests you. As jbnbsn alluded to, there is considerable evidence to suggest that Jesus was an amalgamation of many contemporary pagan deities, and that an actual dude did not exist.
I don't think that I know the German towel joke.
I should hope not!
likewise you should not assume that someone who does not believe aliens are visiting Earth also thinks that life elsewhere in the Universe is impossible. For myself, I believe that there is undoubtably life elsewhere, but I certainly do not believe any of it is visiting Earth or ever has. Earth is a long way from anywhere - it has been described as being situated in a backwater of the galaxy - and the chances of any space-faring species coming here are remote in the extreme.nanoboy said:The universe is so large that I find it incomprehensible that we would believe that earth has the only life forms in existence. In addition, statistically, it seems probably that there must be a few planets with what we would consider to be intelligent life on it, and indeed, if we could send the Voyager probe into space, I don't see why life forms somewhere could be a couple hundred years ahead of us with technology and could be capable of interstellar travel. Whilst I think there is some racism involved in thinking that aliens (and not Egyptians) built the pyramids, I also think there is some arrogance in thinking we are the only intelligent life forms in the vastness of the universe capable of space travel. (PS* Slaves did not build the pyramids, but I think that we would be oversimplifying it by saying they built it because they really loved their pharaoh - as though the had a choice! Sounds a bit like slavery to me.
you misunderstood my intention with the overland remark. It was more making the point that moving northwards into the Arctic Circle via a land route is easier in terms of adapting to the conditions than suddenly beaching on the shore of Antarctica after setting sail a few weeks before from South America or Africa. Its not like a village in China suddenly went "hey, lets move to the top of the world and live on the ice-packs tomorrow". As for the warmer periods of Antarctica during the Holocene, they were in the region of 1 to 2 degrees warmer than today's climate. Warmer than the Antarctica of today, but still not exactly conducive to settlement.nanoboy said:
no, I haven't had imaginary friends since I was a toddler.nanoboy said:You are a sceptic, and need to see hard evidence to believe anything. Is it fair to say that you are atheist then? I will try to be civil and contain my laughter if you do believe in god.
And I don't necessarily need "hard evidence" but I do need good evidence!
This because they never had Christianity
As I said before, unless it was for some strange scientific reason (because they were extremely interested in Earth for some reason) or in need of natural resources like coal, precious metals, natural gas, rubber, and vegitation it is very unlikely Aliens visited Earth (maybe they might if they just discovered our planet at that time). Also, it is very unlikely that an Aliens race would visited Earth with the notion of "we come in peace".
why is it "very unlikely" they would come in peace?This because they never had Christianity
As I said before, unless it was for some strange scientific reason (because they were extremely interested in Earth for some reason) or in need of natural resources like coal, precious metals, natural gas, rubber, and vegitation it is very unlikely Aliens visited Earth (maybe they might if they just discovered our planet at that time). Also, it is very unlikely that an Aliens race would visited Earth with the notion of "we come in peace".
nanoboy
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Ah, but to state that earth is in a backwater of space (re: distance) means that your paradigm is grounded in our present knowledge of physics of the universe. Interstellar travellers cannot get here based on our technology, but they probably could with more advanced space ships and suspended animation - unless they live for much much longer than we can fathom, like some corals and trees. Or maybe they have been living on the equivalent of a cruise ship travelling through space. Don't let our limited knowledge of physics cloud our judgement into believing that 'aliens' have not already discovered things that we will in generations to come. (Re: wormholes, tachyons, dark matter etc.) The reasons that you have given for aliens visiting in legends and fictions are all valid ones - except the anal probes.
I want to reiterate that I don't necessarily believe that there was a highly developed civilisation on Antarctica, but if they ever did find settlements there, I will not be surprised. I will be like creationists who weren't surprised that there were sea shells at the top of Mt Everest.
Assuming these Aliens lived far away in another galaxy, the large amount of money, time, and distance needed to get to Earth (unless you're like nonoboy who believes they have discovered more advanced physics that allow them to travel faster and farther which is not too crazy) would probably be too great for anything but a communist civilization that discovered a way for cummunism to work (
) and the non-super-ruch Aliens would probably never come as far as where we are then to make their species' stay on Earth more of a perminent one. Unless, you believe that there's a Star Wars* type thing going on and most planets belong to one intergalactic government (I know Star Wars was one galaxy) that decided Earth was ready to join them and wanted us to sign a peace treaty or something like that.*You guys hear that Disney bought out Lucus Films in order to make more Star Wars films.
nanoboy
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Assuming these Aliens lived far away in another galaxy, the large amount of money, time, and distance needed to get to Earth (unless you're like nonoboy who believes they have discovered more advanced physics that allow them to travel faster and farther which is not too crazy) would probably be too great for anything but a communist civilization that discovered a way for cummunism to work (
*You guys hear that Disney bought out Lucus Films in order to make more Star Wars films.
My iPad/iPhone does crazy auto corrects and I find it hard to proof read my posts on the tiny screens. What is your excuse for the poor spelling?
My iPad/iPhone does crazy auto corrects and I find it hard to proof read my posts on the tiny screens. What is your excuse for the poor spelling?
I get an idea and my fingers just go to work
Ah, but to state that earth is in a backwater of space (re: distance) means that your paradigm is grounded in our present knowledge of physics of the universe. Interstellar travellers cannot get here based on our technology, but they probably could with more advanced space ships and suspended animation - unless they live for much much longer than we can fathom, like some corals and trees.
If they are coming to visit, lets hope they know how to stop safely.
Bad news Scotty: Star Trek-style 'warp drive' systems could turn spacecraft into Death Stars which destroy planets on arrival | Mail Online
Hix
well now at least we know what really happened to that planet that used to be between Mars and Jupiter!!If they are coming to visit, lets hope they know how to stop safely.
Bad news Scotty: Star Trek-style 'warp drive' systems could turn spacecraft into Death Stars which destroy planets on arrival | Mail Online
Hix
hmm, so if one doesn't assume these super-rich Communist aliens live far away in another galaxy then one must necessarily assume that they live close by in this galaxy, perhaps even in our solar system....perhaps on the moon!! Wait, wasn't there a movie about that? No, never mind, that was Nazis. Different ideology entirely. However there was Star Trek episode (from the original series) where the Enterprise happened across a planet where the alien civilisation parroted the culture of Nazi Germany based on radio broadcasts reaching their planet from Earth. There was also an episode of Buck Rogers in the 25th Century called "Planet of the Slave-girls" which would be a much better planet to be marooned on than the Nazi one. Man I hated Twiki.Assuming these Aliens lived far away in another galaxy, the large amount of money, time, and distance needed to get to Earth (unless you're like nonoboy who believes they have discovered more advanced physics that allow them to travel faster and farther which is not too crazy) would probably be too great for anything but a communist civilization that discovered a way for cummunism to work (
Pootle
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Nanoboy,
It was always a holiday joke (amongst Brits) when visiting a southern European country for a summer holiday, Spain, Portugal, Greece etc that every morning at 5am the German holiday makers would secure the best sun lounging spots by placing their towels down before going to breakfast.
How the Germans won the War of the Beach Towels - Telegraph
I forget just now where this entered the thread, but it is nonsense (and good nonsense), so it is in the right place.
Pootle
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You guys hear that Disney bought out Lucus Films in order to make more Star Wars films.
Lucas documentaries you mean, many people make the same mistake (no worries) as it did happen a long time ago in a galaxy far away. To this day many folk regard them as fictional films rather than documentary remakes of stories told via the medium of cave paintings, dancing or song, much was learned via the Ewoks song for example....... Yub nub eee chop yub nub ah toe meet toe pee-chee keene g'noop dock fling oh ah
Yah wah. Lyrics such as these bring out the real character of the species and a feeling of warmth and safety within an Ewoks presence.
Some people to this day still believe that under Antarctic are remains of a civilisation that followed the snow and ice south to make settlement like those rebels did on the ice planet of Hoth. Very few Abominable snowmen can still be found in certain caves who feed on terns and penguins now the people are no more. The Eiffel and Blackpool tower are actually built from the scraps of AT-AT and Scoutwalkers, look closely and you will see either scars on the metal from battle or the Imperial stamp (the 4th leg of the Eiffel tower viewing from the west clearly shows an Imperial image/stamp mark of approval). Of course the most familiar link that most people are aware of is a few low density and very isolated populations of Wookies living in cool temperate and boreal forests of the world.
That was the movie Apollo 18. The Aliens were moon rocks that turned in these spider things. If they were close enough and wanted to make the tip then I guess it could be for peaceful reasons. Why can't all life elsewhere in space be planet bound like us (well you know what I mean)? Why do many people assume that Aliens are humanoids that travel around space but aren't just simply lifeforms like us living on their planet asking themselves the same question about life and having the same sort of conversations?
It all makes sense to me now...