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Adelaide Zoo Tiger intro imminent
- Thread starter Hylobates
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It still seems strange to me that there are three potential breeding female snow leopards and that the same male will be bred to two of them. This then decreases the potentials founders as it means that many of the cubs born ion the region will be brothers and sisters. Wouldn't it have been better to have an unrelated male at Melbourne and breed their cubs with the Taronga or Mogo cubs. Three zoos full of siblings will not a breeding program make.
Jay, you might be interested to know that of the seven males in the region, two are considered to be post-reproductive, one is infertile, and one has never bred, and is also considered post-reproductive.
There are a couple of potentially geneticly-transmitted disease issues with this species, and the decision has been made not to continue to breed from animals known to carry and therefore pass on, these diseases. A healthy popualtion of disease-free animals is better than the alternative, I think you'd agree?
Consequently, only one pairing has been recomended for the region this year (at Melbourne Zoo) and all other institutions holding snow leopards have been asked to prevent all other pairings.
The import of additional, unrelated, disease-free animals would be ideal, but as I am sure you would realise, the popoulation overseas is small, some are related to the animals we already hold, some carry the same diseases we have here, and some zoos just don't want to give them up. Importing new animals is not an easy thing, and since the species is managed internationally, we are at the beck and call of the international studbook keeper.
Things are not always as simple as they might seem, I'm afraid.
zooworker, you mentioned earlier in this thread that a male snow leopard had arrived at Adelaide from Germany. Do you know when he arrived?
zooworker was referring to the sumatran tigers, not snow leopards.
ZooPro, this is what I wanted to hear. A logical, clear reason. Does this mean that the Mogo animals carry these genetic diseases? re the costs and difficulties of bringing in animals, your explanation was exactly what I was to say. Better to create variability in the first place then have to bring in more and more animals. I realise that non zoo people like myself are not aware of everything that is involved in the decisions made it's just that I object to being told not to raise questions and 'trust' the experts.
So are new male snow leopards at Taronga and Adelaide? Or was he talking about tigers?
So are new male snow leopards at Taronga and Adelaide? Or was he talking about tigers?
So are new male snow leopards at Taronga and Adelaide? Or was he talking about tigers?
Hi Jay. There are no snow leopards at Adelaide, and none have arrived at Taronga in a long time. The newest tigers to come into the country are three youngsters at Australia Zoo, that came from Indonesia.
zooworker was referring to the sumatran tigers, not snow leopards.
kelvin, when asked, several posts ago, zooworker said:
snow leopards
That seems pretty definitive (in zooworkers mind) to me???
Does this mean that the Mogo animals carry these genetic diseases?
Not necessarily. Several of the snow leopards at Mogo are considered to be post reproductive, or have never produced young.
All zoos in the region with snow leopard have been asked to have their animals tested, but I'm not aware of any results yet.
to ZooPro
Zooworker responded to my comment with this:
im just a zoo enthusiast but im pretty sure there are no snow leopards at adelaide as you mentioned,
The two Sumatran Tigers currently at Taronga are a mother and daughter ... so there is clearly not going to be any breeding at Taronga without some tiger movement! Indeed, the mother is scheduled to transfer to the Adelaide Zoo late in 2007 to be paired with a male that has recently arrived from Germany. And the son of Adelaide's German tiger currently resides at the Western Plains Zoo - he will be brought down to Taronga to pair up with the daughter.
Zooworker responded to my comment with this:
yesh adelaide keeps tigers i realise this, i was making a comment on previous post's made by patrick and glyn discussing the movement of leon, Taronga's previous snow leopard
im just a zoo enthusiast but im pretty sure there are no snow leopards at adelaide as you mentioned,
Hi Jay. There are no snow leopards at Adelaide, and none have arrived at Taronga in a long time. The newest tigers to come into the country are three youngsters at Australia Zoo, that came from Indonesia.
According to Taronga ZooNooz (Dec 2007):So are new male snow leopards at Taronga and Adelaide? Or was he talking about tigers?
The two Sumatran Tigers currently at Taronga are a mother and daughter ... so there is clearly not going to be any breeding at Taronga without some tiger movement! Indeed, the mother is scheduled to transfer to the Adelaide Zoo late in 2007 to be paired with a male that has recently arrived from Germany. And the son of Adelaide's German tiger currently resides at the Western Plains Zoo - he will be brought down to Taronga to pair up with the daughter.
ok to summaris yeh....
leon is a male snow leopard who was imported from Europe and produced two cubs at taronga zoo.
he has been transferred to melbourne zoo to be paired with an imported female there.
Assiqua, the mother of taronga's most recent tiger cubs has been transferred to Adelaide Zoo to breed with the male there.
in return, an Adelaide bred male will breed with Assiqua's daughter in sydney.
make sense???
leon is a male snow leopard who was imported from Europe and produced two cubs at taronga zoo.
he has been transferred to melbourne zoo to be paired with an imported female there.
Assiqua, the mother of taronga's most recent tiger cubs has been transferred to Adelaide Zoo to breed with the male there.
in return, an Adelaide bred male will breed with Assiqua's daughter in sydney.
make sense???
I can't believe this thread got so complicated from such a simple start? Where did the snow leopard stuff come from?
At a recent members meeting I learnt the following:
The Tigers have been together but no matings occurred. many positive signs seen from Assiqua and Tuan. Waiting on Assiqua's next season.
At a recent members meeting I learnt the following:
The Tigers have been together but no matings occurred. many positive signs seen from Assiqua and Tuan. Waiting on Assiqua's next season.
Kemiri is the first cub of Shiva (of the original Sumatran pair at Taronga - Nico x Meta) and Seletan (from Melbourne Zoo - Frank x Poetry), born in November 1994 and sent to Adelaide in 1996?
she is the full sister to triplet brothers Juara, Dougall and Ramalon.
Who is Dougall?