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or just continue to rehome infants to keep the group small enough for the enclosure. Is there any news on a new male to join the group?

In 40 years+ of keeping the species, they've only bred 5 gorillas, of which only one- male Mambi- has left the zoo. The others were Asante, Ozala, Matadi and N'doki (who died) Asante's mother 'Eva' also produced one other nonviable baby from a mating at Bristol Zoo.

'Sekondi' died a year ago now-so the females have been without a male partner for a long time already.
 
In 40 years+ of keeping the species, they've only bred 5 gorillas, of which only one- male Mambi- has left the zoo. The others were Asante, Ozala, Matadi and N'doki (who died) Asante's mother 'Eva' also produced one other nonviable baby from a mating at Bristol Zoo.

'Sekondi' died a year ago now-so the females have been without a male partner for a long time already.

Pertinax,

The record is dismal ...... :mad: However, you are the numbers coach here, but I suppose I am right to assume that the equation of gorilla keeping and management at Twycross Zoo is a definite minus both in terms of numbers of gorillas kept, those that died offset with those that were born or imported (of which 1 or 2 also died).

Can you indulge in this algebra here with the entire known Twycross groups (past and present)?
 
In 40 years+ of keeping the species, they've only bred 5 gorillas, of which only one- male Mambi.-

I don't think Mambi (are you sure that was his name?) was actually born at Twycross. If my basic knowledge is right I think he came with Mamfe as they were seen as inseperable after growing up together at Jersey Zoo so Jersey made sure they were kept together. I'm guessing upon reaching maturity Mamfe became the Silverback and so Mambi was moved out of the group to live with Ozala who'd been hand reared along with Ti who was born at Edinburgh but came to Twycross to be hand reared.
 
I don't think Mambi (are you sure that was his name?) was actually born at Twycross. If my basic knowledge is right I think he came with Mamfe as they were seen as inseperable after growing up together at Jersey Zoo so Jersey made sure they were kept together.
Mambi was definately born at Twycross(Mamfe x Biddy) and handreared there. The gorilla you're thinking of was Assumbo- he grew up from infancy with Mamfe, and came with him from Jersey to join the similar aged Eva and Biddy at Twycross. (Eva and Biddy were bought as a pair but turned out as two females) As they matured Assumbo was moved, firstly to Chessington, then on to Eastern Europe. I can't remember if he's still alive(I think yes)

I'll post full details of all Twycross gorillas later on...
 
Twycross gorillas past and present

I suppose I am right to assume that the equation of gorilla keeping and management at Twycross Zoo is a definite minus both in terms of numbers of gorillas kept, those that died offset with those that were born or imported
Can you indulge in this algebra here with the entire known Twycross groups (past and present)?

Jelle.

Surprisingly, Twycross actually have a good record for keeping their gorillas
alive longterm- the problem is they just haven't bred as many as they should over that 40+ years period. Until last year they'd never lost an adult gorilla, and none of the infants was lost either. But last year saw rather a change with several deaths...:(

Present gorillas;

m. Joe. w/c. born 1962 at Twycross since 1963. oldest male in UK. non-breeder(humanised) he lives alone but has contact with older 'group' next door.
older group;
f. Bongo. w/c born 1965, at Twycross since 1965. originally 'mate' of Joe. non-breeder(humanised) she was split from Joe and transferred into group situation many years ago now.
f. Biddy.w/c born 1973, arrived Twycross 1975(with Eva) 2 offspring.
m. SamSam.w/c. 1972/73 has been at; Rotterdam/Dublin/Edinburgh/Blackpool/Edinburgh, sent to Twycross 2006 with Yinka, en route to Spain, but has stayed on at Twycross after Mamfe and Yinka both died and at the same time a vacancy for a male arose. One offspring(Sekondi) born at Edinburgh.

younger group;
f. Asante born 1985(Mamfe x Eva) only offspring of Eva but has never bred yet( she has never had a suitable mate) Hanraised.
f. Ozala born 1994 (Mamfe x Biddy) 2 offspring(one died) Mother-reared- first m/r baby at Twycross.
m. Matadi born 2003 (Ozala x Sekondi-first birth to this pair)

Previous gorillas;

m. Mamfe. born Jersey 1973. at Twycross since 1976. former group male of older group. Died summer 2006.(fathered 3 offspring- Asante, Mambi, Ozala)
m. Assumbo born Jersey 1973. came with Mamfe- later sent away.
m. Sekondi (Ti) born 1989 at Edinburgh(SamSam x Yinka) sent to Twycross where handraised. Became male of younger group. father of Matadi. Died February 2007 (stroke).
m. Mambi. born Twycross 1991 (Mamfe x Biddy) older brother of Ozala. handraised, then kept with Asante and Sekondi- later sent to Paignton/then La Boissiere/ now at Valencia, Spain.
f. Eva. w/c. born 1973 came to Twycross 1975 (with Biddy) one offspring(asante) Died summer 2007.
f. Yinka. came with SamSam from Edinburgh 2006 en route to Spain. Died January 2007.(one offspring- Sekondi, born at Edinburgh)
f. Ndoki. born Twycross May 2007, died at six months, possibly the indirect result of her mother being stressed by loss of her mate (Sekondi)

Breeding wise, Twycross' main problem has been long periods of no breeding. The breeding male Mamfe was handraised(at Jersey)- he seemed not fully dominant over the females and mating appeared sporadic- resulting in very few births. (The old female Bongo has never bred and Eva stopped breeding with him after Asante was born) 'Biddy' successfully reared 'Ozala', and in turn Ozala reared 'Matadi' though her 2nd baby 'Ndoki' died at six months.

In the younger group Sekondi and the older Asante grew up together from a young age, so he did not mate her. 'Ozala' was introduced to this pair later, at age 7- being a strange female Sekondi mated her readily and she soon became pregnant. Eva is now dead and Asante, aged 23, is her only offspring.

'SamSam' replaced 'Mamfe' as male in the older group_it was not a deliberate replacement, he was already there in transit to Spain when Mamfe died, and stayed on after his own female Yinka died. He is older than his years but does mate with Biddy apparently, so there's some hope there....
SamSam & Yinka are the parents of the dead Sekondi(born at Edinburgh) so Matadi is the grandson of SamSam.
 
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Summary for Twycross gorillas.

Imported from wild; 1.3. (Joe, Bongo, Biddy, Eva)

Acquired from other zoos; 4.1.( Mamfe, Assumbo, Sekondi, SamSam, Yinka)

Young born in zoo; 2.3 (+ o.1. premature/nonviable) (Asante, Mambi, Ozala, Matadi, Ndoki)

Number of young surviving. 2.2. (except Ndoki).

Sent away. 2.0 (Assumbo, Mambi)

Deaths; 2.3 ( Mamfe, Sekondi, Eva, Yinka, Ndoki.)

Still at Twycross; 3.4 (Joe, SamSam, Bongo, Biddy, Asante, Ozala, Matadi)
 
As far as I could see the work down the bottom was simply tidying up the malayan tapir enclosure so that it is more in keeping with the ajoining bornean longhouse exhibit (lots of logs etc up against the fence), certainly looks a lot tidier than the flooded mess that was there last year. Will take a closer look on Sunday when I go up and take a few pictures if anyone is interested.

As far as I know work on the new entrance is some way off starting but will see if I can find out more.
 
What is their record like for breeding Malayans? Are they net consumers or producers for the european population?
 
What is their record like for breeding Malayans? Are they net consumers or producers for the european population?

Johnstoni,

I think they bred them in the past and they have just set up a new pairing with a new adult tapirl from continental Europe. Fingers crossed they will breed soonish!

Can you tell us more about their paddock at Twycross? Does it have lots of tree cover (which is essential in this quintessential forest dweller) and mudwallows?

Are they now part of some Borneo themed exhibit with the longhouse? Are any other additions to be expected there?
 
I haven't been for years, but the enclosure was not particularly covered when I went, and from photographs it doesn't look to be a different one now. I think also the malayans share with maybe musk deer or something similar, or even domestic stock. Has anyone seen them recently?
 
The tapirs were put together last Summer and after a lot of aggresion from the male, constantly chasing the female and resulting in some minor cuts to the female they seem to have settled down now and have mated, do not believe she is pregnant but will ask for an update on Sunday - there were small deer in the paddock (tufted? if i remember correctly) will check if they are still there now.

The paddock isn't densly wooded but there are trees lining one side of the enclosure - will get a few pics and put them up when I get back.
 
Johnstoni,

Can you tell us more about their paddock at Twycross? Does it have lots of tree cover (which is essential in this quintessential forest dweller) and mudwallows?

Originally it was just a very small indoor area with a glass viewing window for the public, and a small outdoor paddock. There is some tree cover as the enclosuire(like many at Twycross) is along the edge of a field. Last time I went the(then)single Malayan Tapir occupied a larger paddock, with either peat or dirt flooring in the same area- I don't remember a pool or wallow though there probably is one- it was adequate but not very exciting. The enclosure may have been changed again since, however.
 
Last i heard they were going to do a scan on the female Malayan tapir as it was thought she could be pregnant.
 
zoogiraffe,

That would be really exciting news. Can you or MexPirate please find out for us when next you go there?

Jelle
Will have a word when i go in april if she is i was told they were going to keep it quite as it would be the first time that they had bred them at Twycross.
 
Will have a word when i go in april if she is i was told they were going to keep it quite as it would be the first time that they had bred them at Twycross.

Cool thing! :cool: If you have to keep it under wraps untill they are mighty sure (they have a similar policy at Artis Amsterdam) ... that is fine by me. I feel we should respect that (I am a volunteer tour guide at Artis and we hear quite a lot ourselves on comings and goings and I know and respect that not everything should and must be put out to the wider public. It is a trust-respect thingy). :cool:

I hope that when it is done, you will find your way also to the Malayan tapirs in Europe thread too (lol). :D
 
As in, the first time they have bred from these two animals specifically? Or the first time Malayan tapir would have bred at Twycross full stop?
 
For some reason I'm convinced they have bred them before, only not for a long time, I guess that's sort of the same as having never bred them. I could be wrong, I have been before...!
 
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