What is the best zoo in new england

Just want to point out other individuals on this site and in the thread have qualifications, that are apparently needed to speak on the issue. They just don't feel the need to fall back on it every time they are challenged. They instead present facts, rather than vague answers.
 
You may not but I dont have problem with it, better than them stuffing their face all day
Are you claiming that zoos that don't do elephant rides simply stuff their faces all day. Look at some of the zoos with relatively new elephant exhibits. National Zoo, for instance. In their elephant exhibit, the elephants are given plenty of room to walk around, at their own choosing, and in a more enriching fashion. Even Roger Williams, which has a smaller yard than National Zoo, gives elephants numerous enriching opportunities to allow them to exercise at their own will. And I am sure that if you weighed every animal at Southwicks, there will be some that are either overweight or underweight. Like how about some of the parrots kept on sticks with no opportunities to exercise? Do you believe that is the HEALTHY treatment of some of the most intelligent birds?
 
@nczoofan ttp://www.wfmynews2.com/mb/news/local/nc-zoo-hoping-for-baby-elephants/281727543, regarding obesity in NC Zoo breeding elephants. Was posted in NC Zoo thread by Gulo Gulo, July 2016. I'm giving you facts that you dont want to hear.
@ThylacineAlive "Newsflash, being in the industry (if you even are) does not automatically make you smarter or more informed than the rest of us, and it clearly doesn't give you any better knowledge into basic animal husbandry." Actually it does.
@Neil chace I'm saying rides are one of the best exercises for elephants, sure A to Bs work but I only know of a few facilities that have the size and time to accumulate that much necessary exercise. It's common fact, easily looked up, that obesity is one of the biggest problems in captive animals, elephants in particular. And get ready cause I'm about to make you all mad: I dont like giving them the choice. The are comparable to multi ton toddlers, and like toddlers, they need to be told what to do. And dooking them all the time is conterproductive.
 
If you knew yours facility well enough, that's what the article stated. No need to make it up
 
If you knew yours facility well enough, that's what the article stated. No need to make it up

What kind of statement is this? The link on an article is broken and now you make up information that you wish was in the article. To prove a point that has been refuted multiple times. Tell me, does Batir look overweight?
 
Honestly, at this point I think the best thing to do is just agree to disagree. I think @PSO clearly has his mind made up on what he agrees with, and the rest of us also all have made up our minds about wanting a higher husbandry standard. To a certain point, arguments are beneficial. At this point, I think it's best to just agree to disagree, seeing its clear that none of us will change our point of view.
 
Honestly, at this point I think the best thing to do is just agree to disagree. I think @PSO clearly has his mind made up on what he agrees with, and the rest of us also all have made up our minds about wanting a higher husbandry standard. To a certain point, arguments are beneficial. At this point, I think it's best to just agree to disagree, seeing its clear that none of us will change our point of view.

I agree. I was going to leave it, but the continued personal attacks on my local zoo every time I mention elephants, makes it harder. Especially when they are not based in facts.
 
I'll agree with that Neil.
Best in New England:
Southwick
RWP
Stone
Buttonwood
FPZ
Capron
Beardsley
Forest Park
Lupa
 
I can't find anything about NC Zoo's animals being obese and this being the reason why no breeding has occurred, so I cannot confirm or deny that this now-defunct article stated such. I did find a page on the zoo's website, though, that discusses the zoo experimenting with healthier diet management which has seen decreased body fat and increased energy levels. See here: Using Science to Inform Elephant Management | North Carolina Zoo

~Thylo
 
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I dont like giving them the choice. The are comparable to multi ton toddlers, and like toddlers, they need to be told what to do. And dooking them all the time is conterproductive.

I’ve been quietly watching this thread but this pushed me to comment. This is totally backwards, anti-welfare way of thinking. If you want another “industry expert’s” opinion look here. This is the total opposite of what actual good zoos are going towards and the fact is that the animals have better welfare because of it. I know you’ll hate it when I say that it takes a weak minded individual who lacks problem solving skills if they are working with an animal and they think the best solution to a problem is to force them into doing something because they act like a “multi-ton toddler”.
 
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Realized I never posted my list even back when this thread started so here goes (I will include aquariums because I can):
1. Roger Williams Park Zoo
2. Mystic Aquarium
3. Ripley Waterfowl Conservatory
4. Beardsley Zoo
5. Stone Zoo
6. Southwick Zoo
7. Maritime Aquarium
8. Franklin Park Zoo
9. Magic Wings
10. Biomes Marine Biology Center
11. Action Wildlife
12. Lupa Zoo
13. Stamford Museum & Nature Center
14. Eleanor Buck Wolf Nature Center

Some of the facilities I listed aren't necessarily zoos, but do have zoological sections which are more than just native rescue centers so figured they count.

~Thylo
 
The weirdest thing about New England zoos/aquariums (not this thread lol), is how few big zoos there are and how few high quality zoos their are in my opinion. I mean New England has 14 million people, more than the country of Belgium for example. For me Roger Williams is the clear best zoo, but compared to other zoos I have visited nationwide it ranks low. Upstate NY is adjacent to New England (and has half the people) and blows it out of the water on zoos. Rosamond Gifford is a pretty great zoo. Haven’t visited Buffalo or Seneca Park but they are fairly good quality with nice collections. And then there are at least a half dozen smaller zoos of pretty good quality.
 
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The weirdest thing about New England zoos/aquariums (not this thread lol), is how few big zoos there are and how few high quality zoos their are in my opinion. I mean New England has 14 million people, more than the country of Belgium for example. For me Roger Williams is the clear best zoo, but compared to other zoos I have visited nationwide it ranks low. Upstate NY is adjacent to New England (and has half the people) and blows it out of the water on zoos. Rosamond Gifford is a pretty great zoo. Haven’t visited Buffalo or Seneca Park but they are fairly good quality with nice collections. And then there are at least a half dozen smaller zoos of pretty good quality.
From what I've seen on Google Maps and ZooChat respectively, the greatest zoo in New England would be Roger Williams Park Zoo, with Franklin Park and Stone tied in my opinion (due to Treasures of the Sierra Madre, Himalayan Highlands, Yukon Creek and the new Caribbean exhibit at Stone along with the ambition of Franklin Park's Tropical Forest, its simple yet effective giraffe habitat, and the new children's zoo). Of course I would have to see these with objective eyes. I would understand why Southwick's would stray away from the AZA (going the Metro Richmond/Pittsburgh route of not wanting to be told what to do with their animals, for better or worse), but honestly Southwick's should advertise itself, if they don't already, as having an excellent collection in habitats that are objectively best suited for animal and guest needs. (And if not, a means to rectify that situation, perhaps a capital campaign.) A clear educational goal, a consistent, subtle design that presents the animals in the most natural context possible, (such as a pack of wolves looking down at guests from a steep hillside, rescued circus elephants enjoying a quiet retirement among a grassy meadow, or giraffes browsing in a quiet secluded woodland, etc.), and facilities that make any and all guests feel welcome and comfortable should be the goal of any good zoo, AZA or no. On a side note, from what I've seen in zoos myself and from documentaries and papers, protected contact is objectively the best system you can use for animals. Otherwise you get overworked, stressed animals that are seen as commodities and not as beings worthy of respect.
 
I’ve never really been to any of the Connecticut facilities, are any of them worth going to?
 
From what I've seen on Google Maps and ZooChat respectively, the greatest zoo in New England would be Roger Williams Park Zoo, with Franklin Park and Stone tied in my opinion (due to Treasures of the Sierra Madre, Himalayan Highlands, Yukon Creek and the new Caribbean exhibit at Stone along with the ambition of Franklin Park's Tropical Forest, its simple yet effective giraffe habitat, and the new children's zoo). Of course I would have to see these with objective eyes. I would understand why Southwick's would stray away from the AZA (going the Metro Richmond/Pittsburgh route of not wanting to be told what to do with their animals, for better or worse), but honestly Southwick's should advertise itself, if they don't already, as having an excellent collection in habitats that are objectively best suited for animal and guest needs. (And if not, a means to rectify that situation, perhaps a capital campaign.) A clear educational goal, a consistent, subtle design that presents the animals in the most natural context possible, (such as a pack of wolves looking down at guests from a steep hillside, rescued circus elephants enjoying a quiet retirement among a grassy meadow, or giraffes browsing in a quiet secluded woodland, etc.), and facilities that make any and all guests feel welcome and comfortable should be the goal of any good zoo, AZA or no. On a side note, from what I've seen in zoos myself and from documentaries and papers, protected contact is objectively the best system you can use for animals. Otherwise you get overworked, stressed animals that are seen as commodities and not as beings worthy of respect.

I think that's a lot of wishful thinking on Southwick's behalf :D Southwick's was never AZA though. Southwick's owner was deeply involved in ZAA leadership and advocated for things like cub petting, elephant rides, and other practices banned in AZA. There is often a debate about the AZA over-reaching with rules, but no one ever provides me with a rule that they think meets that standard. Southwicks advertising themselves like that would be nicely put, lying. They do have a good mammal collection, but their bird and reptile collection are very standard stuff. The habitats generally seem to be average to below-average, with the reptiles being in what is essentially pet store displays. The night-houses for most species are extremely tiny. Also if you want a look the zoos on google street view, gives a good overview of the zoo, albeit its a few years old. :D

Don't get me wrong, Southwicks is much better than most non-accredited zoos that hold exotic species. And I would love to see the zoo improve its enclosures, but more needed is a change of animal welfare. As this thread has so focused on issues that seem to be widespread there. Hence why I wish they would never get another elephant :D

I do agree with you though that Franklin Park should be high up on the list. Their collection alone has a nice mix of ABC animals and rarities. I haven't visited in a decade but the new children's zoo seems nice. I mean the only exhibits that stand out as bad are the outdated bird house (and surrounding habitats) and the indoor-only gorilla exhibit. Several zoos have indoor-only gorilla exhibits. I am not a fan of them, but Franklin Parks exhibit is 12,000 sq feet according to a source I found. So a nice size exhibit. I think the issue is that its one of those stagnant zoos, but stagnation does not make it a bad zoo when judged against the other zoos in the region. I hope to get back to the region in the coming years to finally visit Stone Zoo and revisit Franklin Park.
 
I’ve never really been to any of the Connecticut facilities, are any of them worth going to?

Mystic Aquarium is great in my opinion. Its less focused on fish, as the marine mammal collection is the star. Their collection includes beluga, California sea lion, harbor seal, spotted seal, northern fur seal, and stellar sea lion. The indoor exhibits ain't bad but are weak compared to the outdoor sections.

Maritime Aquarium is definitely more fish focused of an aquarium, with a collection of animals largely from the nearby Long Island Sound. They have a few mammals though like river otter and harbor seal. I enjoyed visiting but as aquariums go it rather average.

I have not been to Beardsley in a long while so I'll leave that for @ThylacineAlive
 
Since New England is my bread and butter, I cannot wait to start my "Zoo documentary" series on YouTube.

I haven't been to a "bad" zoo before. If I have, my memory might just be really hazy. From what I remember Southwick was the worst one in New England. I didn't like how there were just rows of animals in cages and just the random species placed everywhere with no rhyme or reason. I was planning on going to every zoological establishment in New England this summer but due to that COVID-19 thing I can't. Hopefully this weekend I can check out RWPZ.
 
What happened to the long discussion about the animal treatment at southwicks zoo on this thread? I still see some of it but a lot is gone.
 
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