Wild futures/monkey sanctuary

In the wild elephants form male groups and go off to breed during the breeding season. Think of a way around that.

~ Thaumatibis

In the wild male lions take over prides and kill all the old males cubs, chimps hunt culobus monkys, I can't see any zoo allowing that wild behavior to happen which is why i said what ever practical.


The we I was referring to humans being the only species that keep other species in captivity unless there's meerkats with goldfish I'm unaware of?!

It's not a case of the animals breeding better off, in the long term it would make little difference, those who suffer are the animals that are in need of rescue that can't be rescued because babies are taking up space. Also allow just means to remove barrier or law it does not imply the action previously not allowed is positive or negative
 
No because humans aren't involved in the slave making ants. If I was a slave making ant I would say we. Is this really the most important issue raised in this thread? I knew the zoo groupies had learnt the art of diversion from key issues from the zoos they own/work for /adore but I never thought it was this bad.
 
Having to elude to generalized insults and empty phrases instead of reason only showcases the shortcoming of your argumentation. Maybe your definition of "captivity" is incorrect, and actually deliberate misinterpretation of mutualism. And birth control isn't foolproof and suitable for all species or individuals.
 
I knew the zoo groupies had learnt the art of diversion from key issues from the zoos they own/work for /adore but I never thought it was this bad.

If this is what you think why are you posting on Zoochat ?
 
What do you think we are arguing about? As far I'm concerned you questioned my use of we, presented slave ants as an example of animals keeping animals captive which is obviously exactly the same as humans keeping animals in zoos and making the decision to allow them to breed or not. I made the welfare remark in jest as your comment had no connection with the type of captivity we were discussing I.e animals being in rescue centres not animals being used for work like in your example .

If birth control isn't suitable other options should be explored after all how animals are kept now in many zoos would be considered impossible in years gone by. Thing evolve.
 
If this is what you think why are you posting on Zoochat ?

I wanted to be proven wrong and to see if my views of zoos still hold true have there been any improvements, what establishments are better than others etc. Also to find out if anyone had volunteered at Wild futures
 
I'm hoping to visit in the next few weeks, i've always been put off by the price for what is on offer, but have decided to give Wings a miss this year. I've just read they had Woolly Monkey birth back in October. Will this young un be destined to a lonely life after the others have passed on?
 
You're paying to support their work rather than the amount of animals, it's a beautiful place with awesome views and your ticket entitles you to go back as many times you want in a year.


No idea what will happen to Lilly the young un, ask while you're there they are the best ones to answer
 
You're paying to support their work rather than the amount of animals, it's a beautiful place with awesome views and your ticket entitles you to go back as many times you want in a year.


No idea what will happen to Lilly the young un, ask while you're there they are the best ones to answer

I've been having a look around their website. 30,000 visitors a year brings in a lot of money to look after 39 monkeys.
 
Not to keep them properly a nd they do lots of other projects. From the charity commission website Wild Futures made £547,377 but spent £608,415 so they aren't rolling in it or making massive profits
 
Not to keep them properly a nd they do lots of other projects. From the charity commission website Wild Futures made £547,377 but spent £608,415 so they aren't rolling in it or making massive profits

But according to their site £30,000 feeds all the monkeys for a year. So they are squandering over half a million pounds on God knows what projects. I think i'll stick with Wings and Porfell on my Cornwall trip. Thanks for helping me make up my mind monkeyarmy.
 
Again they have lots of other stuff going on. It's ok Johnny, but I'd look into other zoos spending if it bothers you, ZSL made a 6 million profit last year. I'd rather give my cash to and org such as Wild Futures who use all donations/income on conservation and keeping the monkeys well. But I guess that idea is beyond most people on here.
 
Again they have lots of other stuff going on. It's ok Johnny, but I'd look into other zoos spending if it bothers you, ZSL made a 6 million profit last year. I'd rather give my cash to and org such as Wild Futures who use all donations/income on conservation and keeping the monkeys well. But I guess that idea is beyond most people on here.

Monkeyarmy, i am a lover of sanctuaries. Porfell, Wingz, Cefn Yr Erw, But this one just seems like a money making enterprise. What Conservation projects are they involved in? It's all drivel.

Wild Futures, the charity that runs the Monkey Sanctuary, works to conserve UK species in danger from habitat loss and help them to thrive in the Sanctuary’s extensive grounds. In addition, Wild Futures aims to minimise its impact on the environment across all operations and educates others on living sustainably.

Wild Futures’ UK conservation and sustainability aims

To enhance and manage existing site for important species and to encourage biodiversity.
To offer education on conservation of British wildlife and sustainable living.
To work with other organisations to protect local wildlife and promote sustainable living.
To manage our Sanctuary operations in order to minimise our carbon footprint.
To link global climate change and deforestation issues with local solutions through promotion of sustainable gardening and food production.

How Wild Futures meets those aims

By managing the Sanctuary grounds and gardens carefully to enhance and protect the varied habitats therein. We work specifically to safeguard the habitats of the more notable and important species.
By allowing public access to the site and use by school groups to provide information on, and promoting the application of, wildlife gardening.
By operating by an environmental policy linked to various areas including supplier management, waste and resource management, utilities, catering operations and employment practices.
By maintaining links with local organisations to promote action on a local level.
 
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This @monkeyarmy character is simply excellent! I don't know who has created her / him, but whoever has done so - well done! A very skilfully put-together pastiche which shows a very sharp observation of the sort of person being ridiculed: a fantastic coming together of the much-missed Dave Spart (Private Eye's radical left-wing firebrand) and Viz comic's Millie Tant.

Brilliant stuff - and keep it coming.
 
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Monkeyarmy, i am a lover of sanctuaries. Porfell, Wingz, Cefn Yr Erw, But this one just seems like a money making enterprise. What Conservation projects are they involved in? It's all drivel.

Wild Futures, the charity that runs the Monkey Sanctuary, works to conserve UK species in danger from habitat loss and help them to thrive in the Sanctuary’s extensive grounds. In addition, Wild Futures aims to minimise its impact on the environment across all operations and educates others on living sustainably.

Wild Futures’ UK conservation and sustainability aims

To enhance and manage existing site for important species and to encourage biodiversity.
To offer education on conservation of British wildlife and sustainable living.
To work with other organisations to protect local wildlife and promote sustainable living.
To manage our Sanctuary operations in order to minimise our carbon footprint.
To link global climate change and deforestation issues with local solutions through promotion of sustainable gardening and food production.
How Wild Futures meets those aims

By managing the Sanctuary grounds and gardens carefully to enhance and protect the varied habitats therein. We work specifically to safeguard the habitats of the more notable and important species.
By allowing public access to the site and use by school groups to provide information on, and promoting the application of, wildlife gardening.
By operating by an environmental policy linked to various areas including supplier management, waste and resource management, utilities, catering operations and employment practices.
By maintaining links with local organisations to promote action on a local level.

We it sucks at it if this is the case, seeing as they have a run at a loss for as many years as the commission holds records. Why have you copy and pasted their environmental policy?!

Here is what their involved in taken from their website:
Overseas Support | Wild Futures
Rescue & Rehabilitation | Wild Futures
Education | Wild Futures
Campaigns | Wild Futures
UK Conservation & Sustainability | Wild Futures
 
@monkeyarmy:
Having an open mind and the will to admit to have been wrong is a noble thing. Yet your reaction when being demonstrated that your definitions are incorrect (as modern humans aren't the only creatures to keep other species) shows the limit of your will to concede. Changing a precast opposing pov is hard; we'll see how future Zoochat discussions will help you change your mind-or clash heads over minor and major topics.
As for birth control: "Things evolve" is a bit vague. Maybe you should read up on that matter to widen your horizont. Some of the Fowler volumes might be a good start.
 
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