Wild futures/monkey sanctuary

Johnny Morris. said:
This place is unbelievable, the more you look into it. 26 employees and 138 volunteers for 39 monkeys.
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The possible conclusion: very spoiled monkeys or improvable work organisation efficiency.;)

I wonder whether for some of the (potential) participants, volunteering there and in similar institutions is a bit like a methadone program for junkies: not being able/willing to fulfill their innermost wish to have a pet monkey/tiger etc. and yet still wanting to experience said critters, they choose the next best thing. A better solution for both human and animal?
 
Lets have a stir up then with this one !
Monkey Army - i certainly don't know if your opinions are sincere or you have just been misunderstood( and some up themselves members have given you a hard time unecessarily so) but if you are an anti zoo person I would give you a lot of respect if you created a new post and asked Should zoos exist ? and put the case forward, because that subject might be worth dealing with.
As for wild futures - seems a bit misleading in the title as none of their monkeys are going back .
 
Johnny Morris. said:
I'm hoping to visit in the next few weeks, i've always been put off by the price for what is on offer, but have decided to give Wings a miss this year. I've just read they had Woolly Monkey birth back in October. Will this young un be destined to a lonely life after the others have passed on?
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I hadn't realised there was a recent birth. This is very significant - the first female to be born for many, many years. Given the only female in the group is well into adulthood and has not previously bred, but is rearing the infant, this is even more remarkable. The tone of the news on their site regarding this suggests they are delighted with this 'happy accident' and, in terms of evolving policy, perhaps the effect on the group of once again having a new generation may allow the case to be made for limited breeding once more.

I don't imagine, if the group did dwindle to just a couple of individuals, that Wild Futures would not take the decision to allow them to join a larger group elsewhere. There would be a point where the group size/dynamic would require a rethink, rather than letting numbers dwindle to the last monkey.
 
Volunteer The Monkey Sanctuary, Cornwall they only have 10 volunteers at a time. As it's a sanctuary not a zoo the monkeys arrive in I'll health both psychologically and physically so they need much more attention than a healthy monkey, for example many of the monkeys arrive with diabetes due to poor diet while kept as pets, so the normal task of feeding is more complex. But even if there weren't these issues what is wrong with having 'spoilt' monkeys? I genuinely can't see what the objection is?

I'm more than happy to create such thread forward but don't expect a debate it will be more illogical responses like comparing humans keeping animals in zoos to slave making ants. Don't feel bad for people's responses they have no intelligent come back so they have to make themselves feel better.

I do agree the name isn't the best
 
Communityzoo said:
I hadn't realised there was a recent birth. This is very significant - the first female to be born for many, many years. Given the only female in the group is well into adulthood and has not previously bred, but is rearing the infant, this is even more remarkable. The tone of the news on their site regarding this suggests they are delighted with this 'happy accident' and, in terms of evolving policy, perhaps the effect on the group of once again having a new generation may allow the case to be made for limited breeding once more.

I don't imagine, if the group did dwindle to just a couple of individuals, that Wild Futures would not take the decision to allow them to join a larger group elsewhere. There would be a point where the group size/dynamic would require a rethink, rather than letting numbers dwindle to the last monkey.
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I know they sent a patas monkey to monkey world to have company of her own kind so they have in the rehomed but if they would with a woolly due to monkey world breeding woolies I don't know. Again the people to ask are wild futures I'm sure they have thought about it
 
monkeyarmy said:
I'm more than happy to create such thread forward but don't expect a debate it will be more illogical responses like comparing humans keeping animals in zoos to slave making ants. Don't feel bad for people's responses they have no intelligent come back so they have to make themselves feel better.
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Once again: having to resort to insults only highlights the shortcoming of your argumentation.
I'd be interested to see you create such a thread (and promise to keep my illogical and unintelligent remarks to myself) if you can manage to refrain from ideological buzzwords, keep it civil and base your opinion on factual evidence.

Otherwise, good luck "spoiling" ;) poor monkeys. And use some antifungal medication for your toe before dealing with potentially immunodeficient primates.
 
Well it's true isn't it is very clear that animals using others in the way slave ants do is a completely different type of captivity to humans keeping zoos and deciding if they can breed. The main difference being we (humans) have the cognitive ability to understand the implications of keeping animals captive; all the slave makers know is they need labor and there's others the can do it.

I'll have fun thanks spoiling the monkeys or just providing a decent standard of living for them, not sure why that's something to ridicule I don't know but it takes all sorts I suppose
 
monkeyarmy said:
Volunteer The Monkey Sanctuary, Cornwall they only have 10 volunteers at a time. As it's a sanctuary not a zoo the monkeys arrive in I'll health both psychologically and physically so they need much more attention than a healthy monkey, for example many of the monkeys arrive with diabetes due to poor diet while kept as pets, so the normal task of feeding is more complex. But even if there weren't these issues what is wrong with having 'spoilt' monkeys? I genuinely can't see what the objection is?

I'm more than happy to create such thread forward but don't expect a debate it will be more illogical responses like comparing humans keeping animals in zoos to slave making ants. Don't feel bad for people's responses they have no intelligent come back so they have to make themselves feel better.

I do agree the name isn't the best
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start the thread and put your case forward in what you believe in - you might be surprised
 
garyjp said:
start the thread and put your case forward in what you believe in - you might be surprised
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No, please don't. The sort of tedious, ill thought-out, badly written, hackneyed arguments being put forward by this person - who, alas, does not appear to be the elaborate hoax I had originally thought her / him to be him, but is instead a real human being - have been rehearsed time and again. There are people out there who have a very different attitude towards keeping animals in captivity to that which I hold (and which most people here hold). I know that. But, just as I can never understand the fans of rival clubs who feel the need to 'troll' the forums of the football team that I support, I do not see what you - @monkeyarmy - are doing here. On a forum that is essentially pro- the keeping of animals in captivity.
 
monkeyarmy said:
Not to keep them properly a nd they do lots of other projects. From the charity commission website Wild Futures made £547,377 but spent £608,415 so they aren't rolling in it or making massive profits
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Whether a charity makes a (small) surplus or deficit in any particular year isn't that big an issue in the big scheme of things -especially when they have £140k in the bank.

Looking at the charity accounts I notice that none of the "resources expended" (monies spent) on charitable activities seems to flow "out" of the organisation (although some of the rather vague "support costs" may do so)

It would be easy to conclude the place is basically a glorified private collection, open to the public (I know that's an oxymoron) to enable it to continue.

That's not to say the place isn't well meaning, if a little high-minded, or that it doesn't form a useful function but financially there's not that much difference between it and a small privately owned zoo.
 
I find the anti captivity brigade funny. "We should get the orcas out of seaworld because they are intelligent creatures being forced to do uneducational shows" Who broke the killer stereotype and showed they were intelligent ? Seaworld

~ Thaumatibis
 
Pertinax said:
For the record, either this one or the one they had already has since died, as MW only have one again now( or did last year).
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Yes Sammy Jo died of old age, she was old when she was sent to monkey world, mutza the remaining patas struck up an unusual friendship with a ring-tailed lemur who wasn't getting on with the other lemurs.

I'm at work currently so will post a thread when I get home and can reference properly.

We learnt how to mass produce coca and coffee beans via slavery, should we bring slavery back to see what else we can learn? If you start saying the end justifies the means you start off on a dangerous track with nearly anything being justified.


Well if it is just a private collection you'd think they would pick healthy examples of monkeys to make it easier for themselves. Saying it's a private collection is like saying the RSPCA is just a mad cat lady hoarding animals.
 
An animals intelligence, which is a flawed concept seeing as an animals intelligence or lack of is judged on how close to a humans its cognitive abilities are, is irrelevant to me thickies deserve to be free just as much as a perceived clever clogs.
 
I think thats a silly arguement about slavery because if you want to take that debate further one could argue we are all born into slavery its called the tax system
 
Not sure paying tax which is used to provide public services like the nhs is quite the same as having your freedom taken from you, forced to work for nothing, having no rights, being bought and sold like meat and beaten/killed. Tax is also avoidable just ask Jimmy Carr.

Right home just collating my argument then you can be amazed by the logic
 
monkeyarmy said:
Not sure paying tax which is used to provide public services like the nhs is quite the same as having your freedom taken from you, forced to work for nothing, having no rights, being bought and sold like meat and beaten/killed. Tax is also avoidable just ask Jimmy Carr.

Right home just collating my argument then you can be amazed by the logic
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As I said i was taking it a step furher but yes we are born into a form of slavery - slavery to the state to pay for public services some that we may not agree to, and actually we have a limited freedom and democracy if you like . In fact in real terms we work for just under half the time for nothing as it goes to thec state. Our rights are limited by laws as daily they are being eroded.Everybody pays in the end even Jimmy Carr they will always get you.
I look forward to the start of the new thread !
 
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