ZooChat Exhibit Design Competition #3

To get it going:

There's some immediate non-starters in the bird list, like little grebe. Silver gull is only a vagrant to New Guinea and bush curlew is just barely found there. Hornbill is on the list twice under different names. A bunch of the widespread birds seem a little redundant for the concept, like great egret and great cormorant. I wouldn't like to see large birds like brolga or pelican squeezed in there.
 
Updated list with Chlidonias' deletions.

  1. Northern cassowary
  2. Papuan hornbill
  3. Black-Necked Stork
  4. Raggiana Bird of Paradise
  5. Eclectus Parrot
  6. Palm Cockatoo
  7. Black Capped Lory
  8. Little Pied Cormorant
  9. Pied Heron
  10. White-faced Heron
  11. Striated Heron
  12. Glossy Ibis
  13. Magpie Goose
  14. Plumed Whistling Duck
  15. Wandering Whistling Duck
  16. Cotton Pygmy Goose
  17. Brahminy Kite
  18. Buff-banded Rail
  19. Australian Swamphen
  20. Masked Lapwing
  21. Metallic Pigeon
  22. Peaceful Dove
  23. Nicobar Pigeon
  24. Southern Crowned Pigeon
  25. Wompoo Fruit-dove
  26. Orante Fruit-dove
  27. Superb Fruit-dove
  28. Torresian Imperial Pigeon
  29. Papuan Mountain Pigeon
  30. Blue-eyed Cockatoo
  31. Brown Lory
  32. Pesquet's Parrot
  33. Edward's Fig Parrot
  34. Dollarbird
  35. Hooded Pitta
  36. Olive-backed Sunbird
  37. Spangled Drongo
  38. King Bird-of-paradise
  39. Metallic Starling
  40. Flame Bowerbird
  41. Goldie's Lorikeet
  42. Double-eyed Fig Parrot
  43. Victoria crowned Pigeon
  44. White-naped Pheasant Pigeon
  45. Emerald Pigeon
  46. Radjah Shelduck
  47. Yellow-Faced Myna
  48. Blue-faced Honeyeater
  49. Black Munia
  50. Blue-faced Parrotfinch
 
some more thoughts.

There are two species of Crowned Pigeons on the list. I think it would make more sense to only have one.

Brahminy Kite - I wouldn't put birds of prey in there (assuming it is basically one big mixed exhibit?). Otherwise, for me personally, I just don't like seeing birds of prey sitting on perches in aviaries with nowhere they can actually fly.

Australian Swamphen - are there even any in North America?

Flame Bowerbird - I think these would not be feasible as an addition, in terms of their captive status. Are there any New Guinea bowerbirds in North America otherwise?
 
Chlidonias said:
some more thoughts.

There are two species of Crowned Pigeons on the list. I think it would make more sense to only have one.

Brahminy Kite - I wouldn't put birds of prey in there (assuming it is basically one big mixed exhibit?). Otherwise, for me personally, I just don't like seeing birds of prey sitting on perches in aviaries with nowhere they can actually fly.

Australian Swamphen - are there even any in North America?

Flame Bowerbird - I think these would not be feasible as an addition, in terms of their captive status. Are there any New Guinea bowerbirds in North America otherwise?
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Agree with the Kite. Having two crowned pigeons could be doable, as long as there's enough room. There are swamphens here, just not sure of species since the split happened.
 
the crowned pigeons will hybridise if housed together. A same-sex group of two or three species would work well if they were "free-range" in the entire exhibit space, but otherwise if the house isn't huge then the ground space would be better utilised by another kind of bird or mammal than a second species of crowned pigeon.

Just an additional note for anybody planning the exhibit later - purple swamphens will kill and eat smaller birds so if they are in there watch what you house them with!
 
Chlidonias said:
Flame Bowerbird - I think these would not be feasible as an addition, in terms of their captive status. Are there any New Guinea bowerbirds in North America otherwise?
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There is a small number of Fawn-breasted Bowerbirds, FWIW.
 
Here are my comments on the list that was posted a week ago. I've reorganized it by order, because that's how I operate. New species I've added to the list are in green.

Northern cassowary <-- none in US, not well suited for indoor exhibit

Magpie Goose
Plumed Whistling Duck
Wandering Whistling Duck
Spotted Whistling Duck <-- SSP species
Radjah Shelduck
Cotton Pygmy Goose

Metallic Pigeon <-- not many left in US
Peaceful Dove <-- none left in US
White-naped Pheasant Pigeon <-- not many in US
Green-naped Pheasant Pigeon <-- SSP species
Southern Crowned Pigeon <-- not many in US
Blue Crowned Pigeon <-- SSP species
Victoria crowned Pigeon
Nicobar Pigeon
Emerald Dove aka Green-winged Dove
Torresian Imperial Pigeon <-- none in US
Purple-tailed Imperial Pigeon <-- recent imports
Collared Imperial Pigeon <-- not many in US but a possibility
Pied Imperial Pigeon
Wompoo Fruit-dove
Ornate Fruit-dove <-- none in US
Superb Fruit-dove <-- none left in US
Beautiful Fruit-dove
Papuan Mountain Pigeon

Buff-banded Rail
Australian Swamphen

Black-Necked Stork <-- not many left in US, not well suited for indoor exhibit

Straw-necked Ibis <-- SSP species
Glossy Ibis <-- uncommon
Striated Heron
Pied Heron <-- none in US
White-faced Heron <-- none in US

Little Pied Cormorant <-- none in US, a few in Canada

Masked Lapwing

Brahminy Kite <-- none left in AZA, possibly from private sector?, not well suited for indoor exhibit

Papuan hornbill <-- not many left in US

Dollarbird
Blue-winged Kookaburra <-- uncommon

Palm Cockatoo
Blue-eyed Cockatoo <-- uncommon
Pesquet's Parrot
Eclectus Parrot
Brown Lory
Stella's Lory <-- uncommon
Black Capped Lory
Dusky Lory
Coconut Lorikeet
Goldie's Lory
Double-eyed Fig Parrot <-- uncommon
Edward's Fig Parrot <-- uncommon

Hooded Pitta
Olive-backed Sunbird <-- none in US
Blue-faced Honeyeater
Spangled Drongo <-- none in US
White-breasted Woodswallow
Flame Bowerbird <-- none in US
Fawn-breasted Bowerbird
Superb Bird of Paradise <-- SSP species
Magificent Bird of Paradise <-- uncommon
Red Bird of Paradise <-- uncommon
Lesser Bird of Paradise
Raggiana Bird of Paradise
King Bird-of-paradise <-- none in US
Yellow-Faced Myna <-- not many left in US
Metallic Starling
Blue-faced Parrotfinch
Black-faced Munia <-- none in US
 
fkalltheway said:
Northern cassowary <-- none in US, not well suited for indoor exhibit
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the first post to mention cassowary said northern (i.e. single-wattled), the next said southern (i.e. double-wattled). So I guess jbnbsn99 would allow southern to be substituted.
 
Unless something has changed, there is still one ornate fruit dove and a few superb fruit doves hanging around in the US. I saw both at the San Diego Zoo in December 2015.

Also, I mentioned red-knobbed imperial pigeon but it doesn't seem to have ended up in anyone's list.
 
I think a discussion should be had regarding the use of "substitution" species. As fkalltheway has pointed out in his amazingly organised list, Blue-winged Kookaburra are uncommon, would it be acceptable to sub in another species of Kookaburra, that is more common within AZA, if the animal is deemed very important to the overall exhibit and theme/message. Same discussion could be had regarding wallabies, echidnas, and cassowary.
 
I think we need to take a chainsaw to the list and get it down to 20 or so species. Lots of stuff can go in a walkthrough and then we can have a few satellite/separate aviaries.
As I understand it the point of this phase is not to create a list of species that one theoretically could include, but rather to make a list that everyone will stick to broadly, with a little room to improvise at the edges.
 
FunkyGibbon said:
I think we need to take a chainsaw to the list and get it down to 20 or so species. Lots of stuff can go in a walkthrough and then we can have a few satellite/separate aviaries.
As I understand it the point of this phase is not to create a list of species that one theoretically could include, but rather to make a list that everyone will stick to broadly, with a little room to improvise at the edges.
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how about take the post by fkalltheway (#31), cut out everything with a red arrow next to it, and the remainder is the list. All species don't need to be used, but those are the choices. Particular preference probably should be given to species in green.
 
I might be a bit presumptuous in saying this, but is it possible that this challenge has become overly complicated? The first two had lots of enthusiasm but this one has really petered out.
I think people really just want to plan exhibits and draw maps. Maybe we can reset this one?
 
Part of that is my fault. I've been finishing writing a textbook, so I've forgotten to put out the needed info.
 
I don´t think it´s THAT complicated. Yeah the preparation takes time, but then will it run smoothly. I think that people mostly waited for some additional info from jb.
 
I think we can have a relatively large exhibit with some breeding crocodile monitors in it. Next to it can be a large waterfall tank with red-bellied pacu, which are an invasive species
 
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